There is much prophetic scripture in Zechariah; much of which can be directly connected with prophecies in Revelation; as well as with the first coming of Christ. There is the idea of the New Covenant replacing the old one with Israel but never a total abandonment of Israel where God eventually is destined to establish His people in peace and prosperity in the Millennial Kingdom.
Zechariah 1 begins with a description of the earth being at rest (verse 11); but the expected promises of the end of captivity in mind in verse 12. Verse 13 indicates an affirmation of words of comfort to an angel that apparently communicated with Zechariah on these matters. Verses 16 and 17 indicate prosperity to return with the rest of the chapter indicating the "horns" (V. 21) that had scattered the land of Judah.
We need to be mindful of the reasons for the captivity as shown in earlier verses 3 through 6; this is a repeated theme in scriptures; much as Daniel at around the same time would pray in regard to the scattered people (see Daniel 9:1-19). In fact; many prophets begin their books with a review of rebellious acts such as Isaiah 1 where even an ox knows it's master but the people are dumber than animals ( Isaiah 1:3). Ezekiel also talks about the woe of the people being obstinate ( Ezekiel 2:4); and is put into bands to signify the captivity and had to eat food cooked with cow dung (as a concession to protest of human dung in Ezekiel 4:14 (ugh). Finally the last book of the O.T. Malachi also starts discussing poor attitudes among those who are offering sacrifices. Blessings are promised for those who would truly sacrifice with the right attitude (contrasted with Malachi 1:8) in the third chapter from verses 10-18.
The sins of Israel will not be fully removed until the Lord is about to return ( Zech. 12:12-14). Thankfully we cannot thwart HIs eternal plans or we all would be finished. His mercies are renewed daily ( Lamentations 3:22-23).
Note Genesis 4:4 "._..._respect unto Abel & his offering:"
Genesis 4:5 "But unto Cain & his offering._._."
Genesis 4:7
It seems to clearly say it was the person, giving it & how. There are other times GOD didn't accept bad attitudes, behavior nor their sacrifices, or offerings. Hosea 8:13, Jeremiah, Amos 5:22, Malachi 1:10,
Isn't it interesting how when Jesus was helping people, healing & teaching, His brothers in the Temple also were likewise ready to kill Jesus making Jesus sacrifice acceptable to GOD & not their own? Mark 12, Hebrews 12,
Hello Vicki. Ps. Dollar would have quoted from Malachi 3:8-10. He would probably also have said that this passage pertained to Israel who neglected to perform all that was required of them. In one passage ( Deuteronomy 12:6,11), the LORD instructed Israel that when they got to the Promised Land, that all their sacrifices, offerings, tithes, & vows were to come over as well & nothing to be left behind or undone. But in Malachi, the tithes that were made (the tenth of their farm produce gain) were not being brought forward & kept back by them. These tithes were needed & used by the priests & Levites serving at the Tabernacle for their support.
This command of tithing wasn't given nor applied to the Church, as the Church (at least in New Testament times), didn't have paid clergy or even a rented building & utilities supplied. Their giving was for the needs of one another & maybe their community ( Acts 2:41-47), thereby fulfilling the Command of Christ to love the LORD thy God and to love your neighbour as yourself. But as the Church grew & spread, the Apostle Paul made the believers aware that some of their Jerusalem brethren weren't doing so well in material things. So Paul sometimes collected stuff to take to them ( 1 Corinthians 16:1-3). So apart from these instances of providing relief to those in need, we don't read that tithing was practised. Rather, that Christians should not give grudgingly but willingly & cheerfully ( 2 Corinthians 9:6-8).
So, as much as tithing is not prescribed for the Church today, I believe that it should be a proper & sacrificial response to help in the support of a Church ministry, that now has far more expenses than the early Church. And not limited to a tenth on one's earnings, but also to share more if possible for other programs & missionary endeavours of the Church. But we're not limited to giving ten percent nor are we compelled to do so.
Pastor Creflo Dollar, has spoken in the last few days about Tithing. Pastor stated that Tithing isn't necessary/mandatory etc. I know some where in Malachi talks about tithing. My question is, is he correct?
First understand that in ancient times, if you wanted to give your inheritance to someone other than him, the language is, so and so( The firstborn) I gave hated. So and so, (The person now receiving the inheritance, or the inheritance of the firstborn.) I have loved.
Romans 9:11 makes it clear that this "change of inheritance" (I.e. the Gentiles receiving the foremost position in Gods eyes and not the nation of the Jews), and thus Essau losing his position as the firstborn, had nothing at all to do with his actions as the decision was made prior to the birth of the twins.
What Essau did or didn't do had nothing to do with anything other than God illustrating the fact that being in the firstborn position, as Israel was, is a decision God made. Not to condemn Essau, but to illustrate His extension of mercy to those who didn't deserve it. Israel, and Essau both, did deserve the judgement through there own actions, LATTER ON, but the decision to graft in the Gentiles, and give the inheritance that was due to the Israelites as disintegrate Essau was made before those actions were in any way justified. In Gods foreknowledge He KNEW the choices that would be made. And God knew that by Israels rejection, and thus offering salvation/mercy to the Gentiles, He could then offer salvation and mercy back to Israel. Rom 11:11-24.
Note: there is no evidence that Essau did not repent of His sins and didn't come to God. Just as there is no evidence that quite a few from the nation of Israel did not turn to Christ, and even more from that nation will be grafted into the kingdom even in revelation.
Esau was also called Edom, Genesis 36:1, please read: Obadiah 1, whole chapter
Note: Obadiah 1:10-14 "For the violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off forever. In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou was one of them. But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossways, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress."
The difference between the saved and lost is seen in their attitudes towards God. Those who hear God's voice and reject it due to a greater love for sin will be damned. Those who hear God's voice and reject their sin in favor of receiving Jesus as their Savior will be saved.
Esau revealed his attitude toward God in the matter when he spoke disrespectfully of the things and promises of God and openly chose the immediate satisfaction of fleshly desires over the promised future blessings of an inheritance from God.
The last wars will be fought by Israel and the Palestinians ( maybe Russia and China too.)
LET ME POINT OUT THAT ISRAEL ISN'T EVEN 10 MILES WIDE.
we're talking about a future 200 million man Army assembling to kill every person in Israel.
I believe the Ark of The Testament; Which is in heaven for now; see Revelation 22. It's in heaven with the Tree of Life :) We will see it at the Last War, when Jesus returns as the Lamb__with His Bride.
ESAU AND JACOB__COVENANTS AND WARS PART 1 - In Reply on Malachi 1 - 1 year ago
Genesis 25-27: Tells the story of Esau and Jacob. Jacob and Rebekah worked together to cheat Esau out of his birthright as elder son. Esau made it easy because he'd rather have a bowl of stew than his birthright. He only fought for it when he saw it given to Jacob.
It seems wrong but Esau had no regard for those things until he realized what He had done. It says God HATED Esau for the treachery. This doesn't sanction cheating and treachery. It teaches that when God gives you a blessing, don't throw it away on something temporal.
Esau left Jewish culture and married into other culture and religion. However, to this very day, Esau is still trying to get his blessing away from Jacob. (God changed Jacobs name to Israel.)
The wars in the Mid-East today, are still about the Covenants God made with Abraham and of Abraham's wife SARAH. Ishmael received his own blessing from God. ( Genesis 15 & forward). God clearly explained borders inside the Covenant.
Ishmaels descendants (Palestinians) want everything God gave Israel through the Abrahamic Covenant. Jews have returned to Israel and now the land (the Fig Tree Jesus spoke of), is fertile and blooming. This is prophesy being fulfilled NOW. It's no secret. google it. I followed Esaus descendants to the eastern lands of Israel: a very difficult study.
The Palestinians are making deals with Russia; Russia is making deals with China. Search CHINA in the search engine. 3 scriptures say the Pestilences origins are China and mid-east lands. You gotta use ancient maps with the ancient country names on it.
Begin reading the Bible alongside the news, or even Google news. GOD will not allow Israel to be "wiped off the face of the Earth,"
As some countries threaten daily.
They do not accept Gods plans for the "end of days."
You can pick up Esau's history by googling Esau's geneology. You'll need to Google ancient maps too.
Studies lead to eastern Israel and Palestinian lands.
Hi James. I know, that word 'hate' can be very pointed & ugly, especially when seen in the Scriptures. We need to realize that 'hate' as seen here & other places, can have several meanings. The word in Greek is 'miseo', & of course, it does mean 'to hate' but also can have other meanings according to application, i.e. 'to detest, to love less, to esteem less'. So, it's not always an ugly uncontrolled emotion that is shown. You can think of Luke 14:26, "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Did the Lord mean to say that we are to feel such hatred for our family just so that we can truly follow Him? Or did He mean that we need to esteem Him more, putting Him first in everything even to giving our family second place?
And then we have another conundrum as seen in Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." I share this verse simply to demonstrate the usage & understanding of languages. In Isaiah, we read of two strange phenomena: God creating darkness & creating evil. Can a God Who is altogether Light & altogether Holy & Good create such things? Some might say, yes, because He is God. Rather we should consider that in light of Who God is, maybe the creation of darkness, is actually God removing His Light. Maybe the creation of evil, is God removing His Peace. Darkness is always the default just as is Evil the present default in the World. We enjoy both physical & spiritual Light because of God's intervention through Christ ( Colossians 1:16,17; John 8:12) - we also enjoy great quietness & enjoyment of life because God by His Spirit is holding back the full onslaught of evil ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7).
Therefore Romans 9:13 & Malachi 1:2,3 that speak of 'hating Esau', can only mean that Esau was hated (rejected) in God's Plan, just as Jacob was loved (accepted).
I would like to suggest a possibility here concerning this text.
The text reads 'As it is written " I would like to go to where this phrase was originally drawn from and get the context and tie the two together.
Malachi 1:1-3. The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? WAS NOT ESAU JACOB'S BROTHER? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
God is saying by my feelings and actions shown towards Esau, and he's jacobs brother "Suggesting equal grounds when Israel was Jacob" SHOULD be Proof I Love Jacob. IF THIS HATE WAS CAUSED BY SOMETHING ESAU DID THERE WOULD BE NO EVIDENCE ON DISPLAY HERE OF THE LOVE FOR JACOB.
Atleast consider that for a moment and go back to Romans 9. and let's take it from verse 11 on down to verse 14.
Romans 9:11-14. (FOR THE CHILDREN BEING NOT YET BORN, NEITHER HAVING DONE ANY GOOD OR EVIL,
((( that the purpose of God according to election might stand, )not of works, but of him that calleth;)))!!
It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Here he Emphasizes THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, NOT OF WORKS, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH;)
I believe the focus here is Jacob represents Gods Grace. Esau represents the will of the flesh " For lack of better terms "
Perhaps Hate here is used as a term for Comparison as Brother Jesse shared in an earlier post.
The King James and others interpreted Malachi 1:11 in the future trend. The correct interpretation is on the present trend. Who then is God referring to? Who is worshipping properly, accepted by God, in contrast with the Jews of that time?
And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; THEN will I my brother Jacob.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Obadiah 1:18
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
KJV Commentary: Esau means
Hairy, Rebekah's first-born twin son ( Gen. 25:25). The name of Edom, "red", was also given to him from his conduct in connection with the red lentil pottage for which he sold his birthright (30, 31). The circumstances connected with his birth foreshadowed the enmity which afterwards subsisted between the "twin brothers and the nations they founded (25:22, 23, 26). In the process of time Jacob following his natural bent, became a shepherd; while Esau, a "son of the desert," devoted himself to the perilous and toilsome life of a huntsman. On a certain occasion, on returning from the chase, urged by the cravings of hunger, Esau SOLD his birthright to his brother, Jacob, who thereby obtained the covenant blessing ( Gen. 27:28, 29, 36; Heb. 12:16, 17). He afterwards tried to regain what he had so recklessly parted with, but was defeated in his attempts through the stealth of his brother ( Gen. 27:4, 34, 38). At the age of forty years, to the great grief of his parents, he "married ( Gen. 26:34, 35) two Canaanite maidens,
Esau tried to conciliate his parents ( Gen. 28:8, 9) by marrying his cousin Mahalath, the daughter of Ishmael. This led him to cast in his lot with the "Ishmaelite tribes (present day Palestinians) and driving the Horites out of Mount Seir, he settled in that region.
God lives in time and outside of time - In Reply - 2 years ago
Genesis 27:41
And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; THEN will I SLAY my brother Jacob.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Obadiah 1:18
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
KJV Commentary: Esau means
Hairy, Rebekah's first-born twin son ( Gen. 25:25). The name of Edom, "red", was also given to him from his conduct in connection with the red lentil pottage for which he sold his birthright (30, 31). The circumstances connected with his birth foreshadowed the enmity which afterwards subsisted between the twin brothers and the nations they founded (25:22, 23, 26). In the process of time Jacob following his natural bent, became a shepherd; while Esau, a son of the desert, devoted himself to the perilous and toilsome life of a huntsman. On a certain occasion, on returning from the chase, urged by the cravings of hunger, Esau SOLD his birthright to his brother, Jacob, who thereby obtained the covenant blessing ( Gen. 27:28, 29, 36; Heb. 12:16, 17). He afterwards tried to regain what he had so recklessly parted with, but was defeated in his attempts through the stealth of his brother ( Gen. 27:4, 34, 38). At the age of forty years, to the great grief of his parents, he "married ( Gen. 26:34, 35) two Canaanite maidens,
Esau tried to conciliate his parents ( Gen. 28:8, 9) by marrying his cousin Mahalath, the daughter of Ishmael. This led him to cast in his lot with the "Ishmaelite tribes (present day Palestinians) and driving the Horites out of Mount Seir, he settled in that region.
...Instruct the tithing of money; AKA, monetary tithing.
...Address New Testament Believers.
...Authorize any New Testament minister to collect tithes in any form.
...Require a Gentile to tithe.
...Require any tithe to be surrendered off the Land of Israel.
...Assign any tithe given to anyone by God, including the tithe given to the Tribe of Levi, to any person under the New Testament.
...Promise great wealth to any individual.
...Address any individual, but rather the Nation of Israel.
...Provide curses against any Christian for not tithing.
Anyone referring to Malachi 3:10, or any other scripture speaking of tithing, as authorization to collect tithes from anyone under the New Testament, IS A LIAR.
>>> The Short Version; concerning the Book of Malachi.
MALACHI CANNOT BE USED TO INSTRUCT ANY CHRISTIAN TO TITHE...
> Malachi 1:1 - Malachi is speaking to the Nation of Israel, not the New Testament Church.
"The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi."
> Malachi 1:6 - Malachi is speaking to the Nation of Israel and the corrupt Priests of Aaron that despise God's name, not the New Testament Church.
"...saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name."
> Malachi 2:1 - The command to bring a portion of the Temple tithe to the Temple storehouses to support the porters and singers is to the corrupt Priests of Aaron, not the New Testament Church.
"And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you." (cross ref. Nehemiah 10:37-39).
> Malachi 3:9 - This verse makes is very clear that the God robbers were from the Nation of Israel, not the New Testament Church.
"Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation." Note: "THIS whole nation (the Nation of Israel who Malachi is addressing)," not the New Testament Church. The New Testament Church is NOT the Nation of Israel. Also, the Nation of Israel were called by God to return to Him, which for p
And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I SLAY my brother Jacob.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Obadiah 1:18
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
KJV Commentary: Esau
Hairy, Rebekah's first-born twin son ( Gen. 25:25). The name of" "Edom, "red", was also given to him from his conduct in" "connection with the red lentil "pottage" for which he sold his" "birthright (30, 31). The circumstances connected with his birth" foreshadowed the enmity which afterwards subsisted between the "twin brothers and the nations they founded (25:22, 23, 26). In" "process of time JACOB following his natural bent, became a" "shepherd; while Esau, a "son of the desert," devoted himself to" the perilous and toilsome life of a huntsman. On a certain "occasion, on returning from the chase, urged by the cravings of" "hunger, Esau sold his birthright to his brother, Jacob, who" "thereby obtained the covenant blessing ( Gen. 27:28, 29, 36; Heb." "12:16, 17). He afterwards tried to regain what he had so" "recklessly parted with, but was defeated in his attempts through" "the stealth of his brother ( Gen. 27:4, 34, 38)." "At the age of forty years, to the great grief of his parents, he "married ( Gen. 26:34, 35) two Canaanite maidens,
Esau tried to conciliate his" "parents ( Gen. 28:8, 9) by marrying his cousin Mahalath, the" daughter of Ishmael. This led him to cast in his lot with the "Ishmaelite tribes (present day Palestinians) and driving the Horites out of Mount Seir, he" settled in that region.
Yes, since John 8:33 Esau now resides at the holy city, and acknowledges that they are Esau, and, are responsible for the wars, plagues, sacrifice and torture of many millions of children, we have a problem, as also explained at Malachi 1:3-4.
Esau, and Canaanites of pollution with fallen angel mating, plus those Masons and others who take imprecatory secret oaths to Satan, are spreading great hated and lies against The Creator, King of Heaven and earth, and, His Savior Son, who by His Blood Redeems us from eternal death if we truly love Him to live according to His Spirit and His Word. Now as Obadiah, Isaiah 63, tells us, as well as John 8:33-44, Matthew 23, Rev. 2 and 3 of the Synagogue of Satan. They have even polluted all institutions on the earth. They are also now destroying all creation, and have brought on the Mark of the Beast of Rev. 13:16, that tracks people by a matrix of computers over all the earth, and changes the DNA of our bodies that house the temple of our Savior and His Holy Spirit IF we choose the jab to be owned by Satan, instead. People are taking that Beast ownership Mark, which can not be undone.
We have not called on The Holy Names that Never changes since the beginning. See Palms 91, daniel 9:19, Exodus 9:16, Matthew 23:39 in the institutions of the earth! Like the 10 virgins, we need to call on Our Father in Heaven, and Hallow His Name, and forgive our debtors as we want to be forgiven, and, pray for enough Holy Spirit in our lamps.
At Declaration of Independence, last paragraph, we find THE CREATOR is our Judge! At Deuteronomy 17:8, hard matters are brought to Him for Judgement. Vengeance belongs to Him. He owns everything. Psalms 24. At Zephaniah 3, He Judges between His people and Satan. Isaiah 66, Hosiah 5:15 we find examples of The Creator's judgment. At Joel 3, we find The Creator gathering the people's of the earth of war, together for a feast of the condemned flesh for the predator animals of the earth.
I deal with a lot of people who try to push the black Israelite theory. I know that the Caucasian version of Jesus we see in most churches is the false AntiChrist version and actually Apolloyon, but at the same time I feel like certain passages are taken out of context when describing the appearance of the Son of Man, as well as the appearance of Noah who is said to be in God's image as well. In the book of Enoch(which is scripture in my eyes), Noah is described as:
And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. 3. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. 4. And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah. 5. And he said unto him: 'I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious.
John of Revelation describes the Messiah as:
His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches,his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude*. Daniel 10:
"His head andHis hairwere whitelike white wool,like snow....His feet were likeburnished bronze..."
His skin is also said to have looked like Chrysolite;
My point is, this description of the Son of Man was of his HEAVENLY form and was very much otherworldly and not like any flesh and blood human. Lamech describes his son Noah as having this same otherworldly appearance. But said his skin was white. So I don't believe this shows us he was black. I think the earthly version of the Son of Man was middle eastern
And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Obadiah 1:18
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Its simple God hates.....And in this verse is specifically talking on Esau the progenitor of the "edomites" aka the Caucasian race.. another reference is Romans 9:13
But God says "Jacob have I loved, and Esau I have hated." It's taken from Malachi 1:2-3. If you go back to Malachi Chapter 1, you find out that Jacob and Esau are associated with Israel and Edom.
So it wasn't about choosing one person over another or loving one person more than the other. He was choosing Israel over Edom. He wasn't choosing for salvation. Even Ishmael, when he was asked to leave the camp, he was told by God that he would be provided for.
There was just as much opportunity for the Ishmaelite's to be saved as anyone else. When God made a choice, He says through Jacob will be my promised line. He wasn't telling Esau "I hate you so you're not going to be saved!"
Jacob and Esau were not in competition as to who's going to be saved and who's going to be rejected. This is the choosing of who Israel is going to come through. Jacob was chosen for the chosen line and it was all of God.
It is interesting that when God made His choice, it was the opposite of the human because in the human, whoever is born first has to be the firstborn and he gets the promise of the firstborn.
So before they were even born, God says "Well, I don't want to do it that way because then man will say that he was in line anyway. So I'll choose the second because he's not supposed to be, so I'll choose him just to show you that it will be of God."
That's what we are looking at here. The emphasis is when God chose Israel, not all of Israel is Israel.
But there is an elect within Israel who are Jewish and are Hebrew that God has chosen and it's through Abraham, through Isaac, and now He has chosen through Jacob.
That doesn't mean Esau is not loved by God and that Jesus didn't come and die for the Edomites. Yes, He did! He's not choosing salvation. He's choosing which line Messiah is going to come from through this entire nation of Israel.
Lol, What scriptures am I twisting around? I'm only reading it as it says and not adding anything too it, others do that (your adding -"from the serpents wrath"). Precept must be upon precept, line upon line, here a little and there a little. What you say only confuses things further - its been said that in the future - (last days), the "Anti-Christ" will appear, so since you say that the serpent in verse 14 is that "Anti-Christ", your placing this verse to happen in the future but wait...America is "nourishing" - funding Israel (the land mass) now so does that mean the "Anti-Christ" is here now? In other words, is America nourishing Israel from the serpents wrath now? How could that be if the serpent is not here yet? Smh
Lastly, we know that serpent and dragon are the same thing based on verse 12:9, so where does John pull this similitude from, the old testament Job 30:29 - I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. Job, an Israelite, calls his brother a dragon...who was Jobs brother, Esau - Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness - GOD calls Esau "dragons of the wilderness". Notice here that the serpent or dragon as spoke of in the old testament refers to more than one and not one single man but many men or a nation such as Esau that was a man in the beginning but spawned a prominent birthright nation of people as God told Abraham and Sarah.
Jim, if Jesus died for ALL then why did he speak in parables to hide the gospel from some?
Matthew Chapter 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is NOT GIVEN not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
God hated Esau (Yes I know they want to CONvince us this means love less)
Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Malachi 1:4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. indignation is extreme hatred.
...The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.... how long is for ever?
The Lord does not love Esau / Edom and King Herod was of this lineage per Jewish historian Josephus.
If you do not know the sin of Esau I suggest you look into his marriage into the Hittite canaanite lineage.
There is much prophetic scripture in Zechariah; much of which can be directly connected with prophecies in Revelation; as well as with the first coming of Christ. There is the idea of the New Covenant replacing the old one with Israel but never a total abandonment of Israel where God eventually is destined to establish His people in peace and prosperity in the Millennial Kingdom.
Zechariah 1 begins with a description of the earth being at rest (verse 11); but the expected promises of the end of captivity in mind in verse 12. Verse 13 indicates an affirmation of words of comfort to an angel that apparently communicated with Zechariah on these matters. Verses 16 and 17 indicate prosperity to return with the rest of the chapter indicating the "horns" (V. 21) that had scattered the land of Judah.
We need to be mindful of the reasons for the captivity as shown in earlier verses 3 through 6; this is a repeated theme in scriptures; much as Daniel at around the same time would pray in regard to the scattered people (see Daniel 9:1-19). In fact; many prophets begin their books with a review of rebellious acts such as Isaiah 1 where even an ox knows it's master but the people are dumber than animals ( Isaiah 1:3). Ezekiel also talks about the woe of the people being obstinate ( Ezekiel 2:4); and is put into bands to signify the captivity and had to eat food cooked with cow dung (as a concession to protest of human dung in Ezekiel 4:14 (ugh). Finally the last book of the O.T. Malachi also starts discussing poor attitudes among those who are offering sacrifices. Blessings are promised for those who would truly sacrifice with the right attitude (contrasted with Malachi 1:8) in the third chapter from verses 10-18.
The sins of Israel will not be fully removed until the Lord is about to return ( Zech. 12:12-14). Thankfully we cannot thwart HIs eternal plans or we all would be finished. His mercies are renewed daily ( Lamentations 3:22-23).
The kingdoms of this world HAVE BECOME the kingdom of God; it's a completed WORK, it just hasn't played out YET. We get to watch it happen.
Malachi 1:5 Your eyes shall see .....
Ezekiel 10:12 And their whole BODY (creation is the body of Christ) .....were full of eyes round about.
The GIFT of God is eternal LIFE, Christ is the kingdom of God, your are translated into Christ.
God Bless YOU!
Note Genesis 4:4 "._..._respect unto Abel & his offering:"
Genesis 4:5 "But unto Cain & his offering._._."
Genesis 4:7
It seems to clearly say it was the person, giving it & how. There are other times GOD didn't accept bad attitudes, behavior nor their sacrifices, or offerings. Hosea 8:13, Jeremiah, Amos 5:22, Malachi 1:10,
Notice Isaiah 58, Proverbs 21:3, Psalms 19:14, Proverbs 21:3,
Proverbs 18:5,
Isn't it interesting how when Jesus was helping people, healing & teaching, His brothers in the Temple also were likewise ready to kill Jesus making Jesus sacrifice acceptable to GOD & not their own? Mark 12, Hebrews 12,
Romans 12:1,2, Ephesians 5:1-21, 1Peter 2:5,20,
Hopefully these are helpful
This command of tithing wasn't given nor applied to the Church, as the Church (at least in New Testament times), didn't have paid clergy or even a rented building & utilities supplied. Their giving was for the needs of one another & maybe their community ( Acts 2:41-47), thereby fulfilling the Command of Christ to love the LORD thy God and to love your neighbour as yourself. But as the Church grew & spread, the Apostle Paul made the believers aware that some of their Jerusalem brethren weren't doing so well in material things. So Paul sometimes collected stuff to take to them ( 1 Corinthians 16:1-3). So apart from these instances of providing relief to those in need, we don't read that tithing was practised. Rather, that Christians should not give grudgingly but willingly & cheerfully ( 2 Corinthians 9:6-8).
So, as much as tithing is not prescribed for the Church today, I believe that it should be a proper & sacrificial response to help in the support of a Church ministry, that now has far more expenses than the early Church. And not limited to a tenth on one's earnings, but also to share more if possible for other programs & missionary endeavours of the Church. But we're not limited to giving ten percent nor are we compelled to do so.
Romans 9:11 makes it clear that this "change of inheritance" (I.e. the Gentiles receiving the foremost position in Gods eyes and not the nation of the Jews), and thus Essau losing his position as the firstborn, had nothing at all to do with his actions as the decision was made prior to the birth of the twins.
What Essau did or didn't do had nothing to do with anything other than God illustrating the fact that being in the firstborn position, as Israel was, is a decision God made. Not to condemn Essau, but to illustrate His extension of mercy to those who didn't deserve it. Israel, and Essau both, did deserve the judgement through there own actions, LATTER ON, but the decision to graft in the Gentiles, and give the inheritance that was due to the Israelites as disintegrate Essau was made before those actions were in any way justified. In Gods foreknowledge He KNEW the choices that would be made. And God knew that by Israels rejection, and thus offering salvation/mercy to the Gentiles, He could then offer salvation and mercy back to Israel. Rom 11:11-24.
Note: there is no evidence that Essau did not repent of His sins and didn't come to God. Just as there is no evidence that quite a few from the nation of Israel did not turn to Christ, and even more from that nation will be grafted into the kingdom even in revelation.
Esau was also called Edom, Genesis 36:1, please read: Obadiah 1, whole chapter
Note: Obadiah 1:10-14 "For the violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off forever. In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou was one of them. But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossways, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress."
Obadiah 1:6, Malachi 1, Deuteronomy 2:22, Jeremiah 49:7-22, Judges 11:17, 1Kings 11:14-25, Ezekiel 25:12-14,
Romans 9:13-15,
Hopefully these are helpful also, towards more understanding of why GOD said Esau HE hated.
The difference between the saved and lost is seen in their attitudes towards God. Those who hear God's voice and reject it due to a greater love for sin will be damned. Those who hear God's voice and reject their sin in favor of receiving Jesus as their Savior will be saved.
Esau revealed his attitude toward God in the matter when he spoke disrespectfully of the things and promises of God and openly chose the immediate satisfaction of fleshly desires over the promised future blessings of an inheritance from God.
LET ME POINT OUT THAT ISRAEL ISN'T EVEN 10 MILES WIDE.
we're talking about a future 200 million man Army assembling to kill every person in Israel.
I believe the Ark of The Testament; Which is in heaven for now; see Revelation 22. It's in heaven with the Tree of Life :) We will see it at the Last War, when Jesus returns as the Lamb__with His Bride.
Streetpreacher
It seems wrong but Esau had no regard for those things until he realized what He had done. It says God HATED Esau for the treachery. This doesn't sanction cheating and treachery. It teaches that when God gives you a blessing, don't throw it away on something temporal.
Esau left Jewish culture and married into other culture and religion. However, to this very day, Esau is still trying to get his blessing away from Jacob. (God changed Jacobs name to Israel.)
The wars in the Mid-East today, are still about the Covenants God made with Abraham and of Abraham's wife SARAH. Ishmael received his own blessing from God. ( Genesis 15 & forward). God clearly explained borders inside the Covenant.
Ishmaels descendants (Palestinians) want everything God gave Israel through the Abrahamic Covenant. Jews have returned to Israel and now the land (the Fig Tree Jesus spoke of), is fertile and blooming. This is prophesy being fulfilled NOW. It's no secret. google it. I followed Esaus descendants to the eastern lands of Israel: a very difficult study.
The Palestinians are making deals with Russia; Russia is making deals with China. Search CHINA in the search engine. 3 scriptures say the Pestilences origins are China and mid-east lands. You gotta use ancient maps with the ancient country names on it.
Begin reading the Bible alongside the news, or even Google news. GOD will not allow Israel to be "wiped off the face of the Earth,"
As some countries threaten daily.
They do not accept Gods plans for the "end of days."
You can pick up Esau's history by googling Esau's geneology. You'll need to Google ancient maps too.
Studies lead to eastern Israel and Palestinian lands.
Matthew 24, Luke 21.
And then we have another conundrum as seen in Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." I share this verse simply to demonstrate the usage & understanding of languages. In Isaiah, we read of two strange phenomena: God creating darkness & creating evil. Can a God Who is altogether Light & altogether Holy & Good create such things? Some might say, yes, because He is God. Rather we should consider that in light of Who God is, maybe the creation of darkness, is actually God removing His Light. Maybe the creation of evil, is God removing His Peace. Darkness is always the default just as is Evil the present default in the World. We enjoy both physical & spiritual Light because of God's intervention through Christ ( Colossians 1:16,17; John 8:12) - we also enjoy great quietness & enjoyment of life because God by His Spirit is holding back the full onslaught of evil ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7).
Therefore Romans 9:13 & Malachi 1:2,3 that speak of 'hating Esau', can only mean that Esau was hated (rejected) in God's Plan, just as Jacob was loved (accepted).
I would like to suggest a possibility here concerning this text.
The text reads 'As it is written " I would like to go to where this phrase was originally drawn from and get the context and tie the two together.
Malachi 1:1-3. The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? WAS NOT ESAU JACOB'S BROTHER? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
God is saying by my feelings and actions shown towards Esau, and he's jacobs brother "Suggesting equal grounds when Israel was Jacob" SHOULD be Proof I Love Jacob. IF THIS HATE WAS CAUSED BY SOMETHING ESAU DID THERE WOULD BE NO EVIDENCE ON DISPLAY HERE OF THE LOVE FOR JACOB.
Atleast consider that for a moment and go back to Romans 9. and let's take it from verse 11 on down to verse 14.
Romans 9:11-14. (FOR THE CHILDREN BEING NOT YET BORN, NEITHER HAVING DONE ANY GOOD OR EVIL,
((( that the purpose of God according to election might stand, )not of works, but of him that calleth;)))!!
It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Here he Emphasizes THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, NOT OF WORKS, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH;)
I believe the focus here is Jacob represents Gods Grace. Esau represents the will of the flesh " For lack of better terms "
Perhaps Hate here is used as a term for Comparison as Brother Jesse shared in an earlier post.
Just a suggestion, God bless.
And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; THEN will I my brother Jacob.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Obadiah 1:18
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
KJV Commentary: Esau means
Hairy, Rebekah's first-born twin son ( Gen. 25:25). The name of Edom, "red", was also given to him from his conduct in connection with the red lentil pottage for which he sold his birthright (30, 31). The circumstances connected with his birth foreshadowed the enmity which afterwards subsisted between the "twin brothers and the nations they founded (25:22, 23, 26). In the process of time Jacob following his natural bent, became a shepherd; while Esau, a "son of the desert," devoted himself to the perilous and toilsome life of a huntsman. On a certain occasion, on returning from the chase, urged by the cravings of hunger, Esau SOLD his birthright to his brother, Jacob, who thereby obtained the covenant blessing ( Gen. 27:28, 29, 36; Heb. 12:16, 17). He afterwards tried to regain what he had so recklessly parted with, but was defeated in his attempts through the stealth of his brother ( Gen. 27:4, 34, 38). At the age of forty years, to the great grief of his parents, he "married ( Gen. 26:34, 35) two Canaanite maidens,
Esau tried to conciliate his parents ( Gen. 28:8, 9) by marrying his cousin Mahalath, the daughter of Ishmael. This led him to cast in his lot with the "Ishmaelite tribes (present day Palestinians) and driving the Horites out of Mount Seir, he settled in that region.
And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; THEN will I SLAY my brother Jacob.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Obadiah 1:18
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
KJV Commentary: Esau means
Hairy, Rebekah's first-born twin son ( Gen. 25:25). The name of Edom, "red", was also given to him from his conduct in connection with the red lentil pottage for which he sold his birthright (30, 31). The circumstances connected with his birth foreshadowed the enmity which afterwards subsisted between the twin brothers and the nations they founded (25:22, 23, 26). In the process of time Jacob following his natural bent, became a shepherd; while Esau, a son of the desert, devoted himself to the perilous and toilsome life of a huntsman. On a certain occasion, on returning from the chase, urged by the cravings of hunger, Esau SOLD his birthright to his brother, Jacob, who thereby obtained the covenant blessing ( Gen. 27:28, 29, 36; Heb. 12:16, 17). He afterwards tried to regain what he had so recklessly parted with, but was defeated in his attempts through the stealth of his brother ( Gen. 27:4, 34, 38). At the age of forty years, to the great grief of his parents, he "married ( Gen. 26:34, 35) two Canaanite maidens,
Esau tried to conciliate his parents ( Gen. 28:8, 9) by marrying his cousin Mahalath, the daughter of Ishmael. This led him to cast in his lot with the "Ishmaelite tribes (present day Palestinians) and driving the Horites out of Mount Seir, he settled in that region.
...Instruct any Christian to tithe.
...Instruct the tithing of money; AKA, monetary tithing.
...Address New Testament Believers.
...Authorize any New Testament minister to collect tithes in any form.
...Require a Gentile to tithe.
...Require any tithe to be surrendered off the Land of Israel.
...Assign any tithe given to anyone by God, including the tithe given to the Tribe of Levi, to any person under the New Testament.
...Promise great wealth to any individual.
...Address any individual, but rather the Nation of Israel.
...Provide curses against any Christian for not tithing.
Anyone referring to Malachi 3:10, or any other scripture speaking of tithing, as authorization to collect tithes from anyone under the New Testament, IS A LIAR.
>>> The Short Version; concerning the Book of Malachi.
MALACHI CANNOT BE USED TO INSTRUCT ANY CHRISTIAN TO TITHE...
> Malachi 1:1 - Malachi is speaking to the Nation of Israel, not the New Testament Church.
"The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi."
> Malachi 1:6 - Malachi is speaking to the Nation of Israel and the corrupt Priests of Aaron that despise God's name, not the New Testament Church.
"...saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name."
> Malachi 2:1 - The command to bring a portion of the Temple tithe to the Temple storehouses to support the porters and singers is to the corrupt Priests of Aaron, not the New Testament Church.
"And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you." (cross ref. Nehemiah 10:37-39).
> Malachi 3:9 - This verse makes is very clear that the God robbers were from the Nation of Israel, not the New Testament Church.
"Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation." Note: "THIS whole nation (the Nation of Israel who Malachi is addressing)," not the New Testament Church. The New Testament Church is NOT the Nation of Israel. Also, the Nation of Israel were called by God to return to Him, which for p
And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I SLAY my brother Jacob.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Obadiah 1:18
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
KJV Commentary: Esau
Hairy, Rebekah's first-born twin son ( Gen. 25:25). The name of" "Edom, "red", was also given to him from his conduct in" "connection with the red lentil "pottage" for which he sold his" "birthright (30, 31). The circumstances connected with his birth" foreshadowed the enmity which afterwards subsisted between the "twin brothers and the nations they founded (25:22, 23, 26). In" "process of time JACOB following his natural bent, became a" "shepherd; while Esau, a "son of the desert," devoted himself to" the perilous and toilsome life of a huntsman. On a certain "occasion, on returning from the chase, urged by the cravings of" "hunger, Esau sold his birthright to his brother, Jacob, who" "thereby obtained the covenant blessing ( Gen. 27:28, 29, 36; Heb." "12:16, 17). He afterwards tried to regain what he had so" "recklessly parted with, but was defeated in his attempts through" "the stealth of his brother ( Gen. 27:4, 34, 38)." "At the age of forty years, to the great grief of his parents, he "married ( Gen. 26:34, 35) two Canaanite maidens,
Esau tried to conciliate his" "parents ( Gen. 28:8, 9) by marrying his cousin Mahalath, the" daughter of Ishmael. This led him to cast in his lot with the "Ishmaelite tribes (present day Palestinians) and driving the Horites out of Mount Seir, he" settled in that region.
Esau, and Canaanites of pollution with fallen angel mating, plus those Masons and others who take imprecatory secret oaths to Satan, are spreading great hated and lies against The Creator, King of Heaven and earth, and, His Savior Son, who by His Blood Redeems us from eternal death if we truly love Him to live according to His Spirit and His Word. Now as Obadiah, Isaiah 63, tells us, as well as John 8:33-44, Matthew 23, Rev. 2 and 3 of the Synagogue of Satan. They have even polluted all institutions on the earth. They are also now destroying all creation, and have brought on the Mark of the Beast of Rev. 13:16, that tracks people by a matrix of computers over all the earth, and changes the DNA of our bodies that house the temple of our Savior and His Holy Spirit IF we choose the jab to be owned by Satan, instead. People are taking that Beast ownership Mark, which can not be undone.
We have not called on The Holy Names that Never changes since the beginning. See Palms 91, daniel 9:19, Exodus 9:16, Matthew 23:39 in the institutions of the earth! Like the 10 virgins, we need to call on Our Father in Heaven, and Hallow His Name, and forgive our debtors as we want to be forgiven, and, pray for enough Holy Spirit in our lamps.
At Declaration of Independence, last paragraph, we find THE CREATOR is our Judge! At Deuteronomy 17:8, hard matters are brought to Him for Judgement. Vengeance belongs to Him. He owns everything. Psalms 24. At Zephaniah 3, He Judges between His people and Satan. Isaiah 66, Hosiah 5:15 we find examples of The Creator's judgment. At Joel 3, we find The Creator gathering the people's of the earth of war, together for a feast of the condemned flesh for the predator animals of the earth.
And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. 3. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. 4. And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah. 5. And he said unto him: 'I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious.
John of Revelation describes the Messiah as:
His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches,his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude*. Daniel 10:
"His head andHis hairwere whitelike white wool,like snow....His feet were likeburnished bronze..."
His skin is also said to have looked like Chrysolite;
My point is, this description of the Son of Man was of his HEAVENLY form and was very much otherworldly and not like any flesh and blood human. Lamech describes his son Noah as having this same otherworldly appearance. But said his skin was white. So I don't believe this shows us he was black. I think the earthly version of the Son of Man was middle eastern
Genesis 27:41
And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Obadiah 1:18
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Please follow Gen. 25:33; 27:27-30; 28:13; 29:33; 32:30; Deut. 21:15; Luke 14:26; Rom. 9:13.
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
In His Service.
Andy & Dianne van den Berg, Nova Scotia, Canada
But God says "Jacob have I loved, and Esau I have hated." It's taken from Malachi 1:2-3. If you go back to Malachi Chapter 1, you find out that Jacob and Esau are associated with Israel and Edom.
So it wasn't about choosing one person over another or loving one person more than the other. He was choosing Israel over Edom. He wasn't choosing for salvation. Even Ishmael, when he was asked to leave the camp, he was told by God that he would be provided for.
There was just as much opportunity for the Ishmaelite's to be saved as anyone else. When God made a choice, He says through Jacob will be my promised line. He wasn't telling Esau "I hate you so you're not going to be saved!"
Jacob and Esau were not in competition as to who's going to be saved and who's going to be rejected. This is the choosing of who Israel is going to come through. Jacob was chosen for the chosen line and it was all of God.
It is interesting that when God made His choice, it was the opposite of the human because in the human, whoever is born first has to be the firstborn and he gets the promise of the firstborn.
So before they were even born, God says "Well, I don't want to do it that way because then man will say that he was in line anyway. So I'll choose the second because he's not supposed to be, so I'll choose him just to show you that it will be of God."
That's what we are looking at here. The emphasis is when God chose Israel, not all of Israel is Israel.
But there is an elect within Israel who are Jewish and are Hebrew that God has chosen and it's through Abraham, through Isaac, and now He has chosen through Jacob.
That doesn't mean Esau is not loved by God and that Jesus didn't come and die for the Edomites. Yes, He did! He's not choosing salvation. He's choosing which line Messiah is going to come from through this entire nation of Israel.
I hope this helps!
Lastly, we know that serpent and dragon are the same thing based on verse 12:9, so where does John pull this similitude from, the old testament Job 30:29 - I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. Job, an Israelite, calls his brother a dragon...who was Jobs brother, Esau - Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness - GOD calls Esau "dragons of the wilderness". Notice here that the serpent or dragon as spoke of in the old testament refers to more than one and not one single man but many men or a nation such as Esau that was a man in the beginning but spawned a prominent birthright nation of people as God told Abraham and Sarah.
Matthew Chapter 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is NOT GIVEN not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
God hated Esau (Yes I know they want to CONvince us this means love less)
Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Malachi 1:4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. indignation is extreme hatred.
...The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.... how long is for ever?
The Lord does not love Esau / Edom and King Herod was of this lineage per Jewish historian Josephus.
If you do not know the sin of Esau I suggest you look into his marriage into the Hittite canaanite lineage.