the "clouds" that is referred to in Rev.1:7, I am beginning to think it is an army/cavalry like I 1st suggested.
( Revelation 1:7) "Behold, he ((cometh WITH clouds)); and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."
( Zephaniah 1:14-15 KJV) "That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of ((clouds)) and thick darkness,"
( 2 Thessalonians 1:7) "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven ((WITH his mighty angels)),"
( Revelation 19:14 KJV) "And the ((armies)) which were in heaven followed him upon ((white horses)), clothed in fine linen, white and clean."
"The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness," Zephaniah 1:14-15 KJV
The words of the LORD are pure words. Every word of God is pure. EVERY WORD IS PURE!
You say the rapture or Resurrection event is at or near the first seal. Can you please provide the verses that prove that to be true?
It seems that pre-tribulation rapture believers are reading things into Scripture that are not clearly written in Scripture. God is not the author of confusion.
The final revival you mentioned as being ( Rev 7:9) comes during great tribulation, ( Rev 7:14) shows us that.
All who believe in Jesus Christ will have everlasting life, when will this everlasting life start? At the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds for His true Believers ( 1 Thess 4:16-17)
( Jn 3:36) Tells us believers in the Son hath everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.
God's wrath is poured out on ALL non-believers who will be left on the earth, they are also called the children of disobedience in ( Eph 5:6) and ( Col 3:6)
Seeing the great tribulation and the wrath of God as the same time period only causes confusion. They are not the same!
( Mt 24:29-31) Tells us the Son of man comes in the clouds to gather together His elect, this event is the rapture. And it clearly happens after the tribulation.
I do not mean to offend Richard but the Truth matters as we are living the time of the Lastdays now.
The belief that we will be taken out before the tribulation period will not allow us to be prepared for the tough times of deception and of testing that are sure to come in the near future. That belief will also cause many to be deceived by the antichrist when he comes disguised as Jesus Christ sitting in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God. ( 2 Thess 2:3-4) Many will fall away! There will be great deception during this time period ( 2 Cor 11:14)
The great day of the LORD is the return of Jesus Christ ( Zephaniah 1:14-18) That day is a day of wrath for non-believers.
The tribulation period and the wrath of God are different periods, to not get this right will throw off the timeline for the Lastdays prophecy in many ways.
In (Lu 17:27-30) v29 "But ((the same day)) that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all". Instead of focusing on them eating, and drinking and marrying, and giving in marriage, put your focus on THE SAME DAY. The same day Lot went out it rained fire and brimstone! The wrath of God starts the same day Jesus comes.
( 2 Thess 1:7-10) v7 "when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels".
v8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God" (In flaming fire taking vengeance on them is pouring out His wrath on them) The word (wrath) is #3709; it means violent passion, punishment, anger, indignation, ((vengeance)).
v9 "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power".
( John 3:36) In this verse He that believeth will be those who are taken in ( Mt. 24:40-42) the ones caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds in ( 1 Thess 4:16-17) which happens "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days" ( Mt 24:29-31)
Those who (believeth not) are the one's left in ( Mt. 24:40-42) the wrath of God abideth on them, the disobedient ones in ( Eph 5:6) and ( Col 3:6) and ( Rom 1:18)
Believers receive everlasting life!
non-believers receive the wrath of God!
( Zephaniah 1:14-18) v14 "The great day of the LORD is near" v15 "That day is a day of wrath".
These verses show us that God's wrath comes the same day Jesus comes.
( Rom 1:18) ( Eph 5:6) ( Col 3:6) ( Rev 6:16-17) God's wrath comes on bad, disobedient, non-believers in Jesus Christ.
( 1 Thess 5:9) Believers in Jesus are not appointed to wrath.
( 1Thess 1:10) The word (delivered) is 4506; it means to rush or draw (for oneself) to rescue.
( Rom 5:9) "being now justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him"
Further insights on prophecy: Conspiracies vs fulfillment
The line of demarcation exists when we consider 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. For now; the gates of hell do not prevail against the church ( Matt. 16:18); but in the Tribulation or time of Jacob's trouble they will be overcome ( Rev. 13:7; Daniel 7:25). While we remain as salt and light the putrification is held back along with the final fulfillments of prophecies.
Ezekiel 38 is something geopolitically that seems to have aligned uniquely with Iran; Turkey and Russian agreements. As with anything else; those who look to the current war in Ukraine or any other conflicts basically are repeating centuries old patterns.
The downfall of currencies also seems to have been thwarted temporarily as of the last few days; apparently some small countries are utilizing the dollar more; and there seems to be both a new gold standard backed currency with the BRICS nations; and the concept of electronic currency concurrently happening; for now. Certainly there are harbingers of things to come. The recent lowering in prices of gold and silver (See Zephaniah 1:18; Ezekiel 7:19; and James 5:3) could indicate a collapse either just before the Tribulation and or during it (perhaps further enforced by Antichrist). To have the Mark of the Beast all other trade methodologies must be cancelled; I don't believe that can happen prior to the Rapture of the church in entirety.
Isaiah 8:12 reminds us not to call everything "conspiracy" that everyone else says is. The two dangers we have are thinking everything is an indication that the end has come; OR belittling the literal final fulfillment after all the predictions of the past proved false. Such could of course be argued with verses such as 1 Cor. 15:52 on the Rapture (Rapturo in Latin). Full Preterists think everything happened by 70 AD. Most think it was partially fulfilled; which again makes the most sense with a literal interpretation of the texts.
1) The day of the Lord is mentioned 31 times in the bible, 26 times in the Old Testament and 5 in the New Testament.
To my knowledge nowhere in scripture it mentions any removal of the saints.
Here's a few.
Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5) and several times in the New Testament ( Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10). It is also alluded to in other passages ( Revelation 6:15-17; 16:14).
In 2 Peter 3:3-18 we are told the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, and holding back his wrath not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Notice something in verses 11 and 12.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? ITS A QUESTION!!
The answer is NO!
Here's what were looking for;
Verses 13-16.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
See part 2 and the second issue I have with that view.
Continuing with just a few of the Day of the Lord verses.
Zephaniah 1:15
Isaiah 13:9
Lamentations 2:1
Isaiah 13:13
Isaiah 51:22
Jeremiah 25:15
Revelation 16:19
Revelation 14:10
Revelation 16:1
Isaiah 63:1-6.
This is what Paul is telling them is not at hand. This is what we all agree on besides a few that the Church will not see.
However some see the Rapture in Revelation 20:4-6 sadly mistaking it for the Resurrection.
That would place the Church on the Earth during the wrath of the Lord that comes upon all the Earth.
When we take 2 Thessalonians 2:3
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition;
Paul gives them the sequence of events in chronological order of what happens "AFTER" that what he reminded them of previously in
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
That's why he opens up saying "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by "OUR" gathering together unto him," 2 Thessalonians 2:1.
Paul included them and himself in this gathering! So did they see the son of perdition? No.
We take 2 Thessalonians 2:3 with the following scriptures to pitch our viewpoint. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-15.
The son of perdition can't come while the light bearers is in the world. The Church! Who sits in the midst of the Church? Christ/His Holyspirit.
In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 one must 1sr understand that the day of the Lord is not the tribulation. Here in verses 2 and 3 Paul is assuring the Thessalonians that day hasn't come yet. In verse 3 He's assuring them that there was no msg sent by him that the day of the Lord was at hand and that the great tribulation will come 1st and also that day hasn't come yet. That's why he mentions the son of perdition.
vs 2)"That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter AS FROM US, as THAT THE DAY OF CHRIST IS (AT HAND.)
vs 3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
VERSE 1 IS THE SCOPE OF THE LETTER.
vs 1) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, AND BY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM,
By letter by "SUPPOSEDLY" from Paul they thought the day of the Lord has begun.
In vs 5 he reminds them of what he told them before.
vs 5) "Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"
Here's what he reminded them of.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
Most of what we know about the day of the Lord is in the OT.
Here's verses from the OT describing what the day of the Lord will be like.
Zephaniah 2:2-3.
Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
"Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: IT MAY BE YE SHALL BE HID IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER."
Zephaniah 1:18.
Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of (ALL) them that dwell in the land.
TammyC. Post-trib, and pre-wrath. Post-trib means it is After the tribulation like we are told in ( Mt 24:29-31) Pre-wrath means the wrath of God will start the same day Jesus returns for His elect, the church. ( Nahum 1:2,5-6) ( Zephaniah 1:14-18) ( John 3:36) ( Romans 1:18) Then God pours out His wrath on those disobedient ones who are left on the earth. One shall be taken and the other left. This view is Biblically correct. I hope this helps. Blessings.
Will the Lord come as a thief in the night to True Believers? Many pre-tribulation rapture believers say the Lord comes as a thief in the night, they say that means He could come at any minute. (1 Thes 5:1-3) v.2 tells us "the ((day of the Lord)) so cometh as a thief in the night." v.3 says "For when (THEY) shall say, Peace and safety; THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH UPON (THEM), as travail upon a woman with child; and (THEY) SHALL NOT ESCAPE. That day comes on THEM, (non-believers) as a thief in the night. The (day of the Lord) that comes upon (THEM) will be a day of destruction, a day of darkness. ( Isa 13:6-9) v.9 tells us "Behold, the (day of the LORD) cometh, cruel both with (wrath) and (fierce anger), to lay the land desolate: and he shall (destroy the sinners) thereof out of it. ( Isa 13:10-13) v11 Tells us "And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease,.." (This will be the wrath of God being poured out on all the disobedient non-believers who will be left on the earth) We are also told of this day in another book in the Old Testament. ( Zephaniah 1:14-17) v14 Tells us "The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly". v15 Tells us That day is a day of (wrath) a day of trouble, and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness. These verses show the wrath of God coming the same day Jesus Christ comes in the clouds to gather together His elect. Paul calls that day "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ", and "the day of Christ" in (2 Thes 2:1-2) He calls that day "the day of Jesus Christ" in ( Philippians 1:6) He calls it "the day of the Lord Jesus" in ( 2 Cor 1:14) The day of Christ (we) are gathered together in the clouds. the (day of the Lord) brings THEM wrath and comes as a thief in the night. Blessings.
1 John 2:17 makes it clear that the world is fading away and the lusts thereof. Zephaniah 1:18 also makes obvious that all attempts to save us in the day of wrath; i.e. Tribulation will not save a person; whether spiritually or physically. James 5:3 warns about hoarding such things in the last days.
In all of today's answers; Satan is more than content to distract us from the fact that our greatest enemy is ourselves. As a society there is always an accelerated need for a new "fix" whether it be the latest catchy tune; the next financial gain; the next big social gig; the next high or buzz etc. We have all sold out to the lowest common denominator to accomplish our goals. There are plenty of characteristics in 2 Timothy of the times we are living in; and other Bible verses on the bad fruit we see today.
Imagine how much worse things would be without modern medical breakthroughs for life expectancy today in this self destructive society. We seem to have numbed ourselves to the hopeless state of the unregenerate souls today and are caught up in endless ways to make this life more comfortable. As believers discernment is sorely deficient to the messages either conscious or unconscious that are being pushed into our brains each day. Somehow we feel that everyone just needs to hear how much God loves them and that God is not "angry" with us or going to judge us when scriptures tell the opposite. He is angry with the wicked every day. Psalm 7:11 makes it clear that God judges the righteous; and is angry with the wicked EVERY DAY. God may chastise the believer and judge at the Bema seat rather than the Great White Throne Judgment but there are rewards to lose as Christians if we are not careful ( Rev. 3:11). This inoffensive Gospel of cheap grace rather than a pearl of great cost ( Matt. 13:45-46) is in reality more dangerous than no Gospel at all if we try to dumb down His righteousness and Word to create a more "acceptable" view.
Sorry but I made a mistake in answering your question.
I gave you the rapture when your question was "How will our LORD God remove the evil this time which has more than likely repented(grieved) Him?"
The rapture is when Christ comes for his Church. as mentioned here in
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
We will be removed from the wrath.
The wrath of God comes upon all the Inhabitants of the Earth.
Isaiah 24:1-23.
Isaiah 34:1-17.
Zephaniah 1:14-18
Many other references.
NOTE: God's children is never called Inhabitants of the earth.
But we are not appointed to wrath.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-9.
Now as far as removal of evil, this will happen following the rapture and the 70th week of Daniel. "7 years tribulation period" with the last 3 and a half being the great tribulation.
Note: "There will be people getting saved during this period "
Satan will be chained a thousand years and Christ will rule here on earth with a rod of Iron sitting on David's Throne. This is the Millennium kingdom.
Then the devil will be loosed and deceive the Nations again.
Then comes the wrath of God and the removal of Evil as you asked.
This is what's mentioned in Matthew 13:36-43.
In Matthew 13:41 notice that the unrighteous is gathered. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
This Parallels with
Matthew 24:36-51.
These are taking away for judgment.
No removal of saints/Rapture here in these verses! It's the removal of the unrighteous.
I hold the historical/prophetic view of the book of Revelation. I see the book of Revelation as being both historical and futuristic. I understand the seven churches in Chapters 2 and 3 were literal churches in John's day, and that the events in Chapters 4 through 22 are yet future.
Whatever view a person takes, it must fit in with what John saw in the past. He just saw the vision of Christ, the things that are, that is, the condition of the churches in John's day, and the things that will be after the church (Chapters 4 through 22).
It must fit into that past, present, and future scheme that the book of Revelation divides up for us.
In Revelation 1:10, John says, " I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day."
The phrase "I was in the Spirit," in the King James translation, Spirit is capitalized to indicate the Holy Spirit. But in the Greek text, there is no word "the." There's no definite article. And the spirit is understood to be not the Holy Spirit, but the spirit realm. And we see that throughout the book, he was caught up in spirit.
And then he says on the Lord's day. And in the bible, Sunday is never called the Lord's day, which you also alluded to.
The scriptures tell us that this is an OT term for the day of the Lord, or Lord's day, and it is a reference to the day of judgment.
It is called the Lord's day in Isaiah 2:12, and Zephaniah 1:14-16. Even Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:2, he used that Jewish phrase from the Old Testament, and says that the day of the Lord is going to come as a thief in the night. But you don't have to worry because you're children of light.
Peter also, in 2 Peter 3:10 used the same phrase as the day of judgment of God.
When John was caught up to see the Lord's day, this period of judgment, he got to see the future happen before it happens, while it's happening. He saw everything from where he's at, all the way to the end, and what's going to happen at the end. It just hasn't happened yet for us
Here's what I found to back up Malachi message about the "day of the Lord" (29X) from OT to NT. After these verses there's more interesting words God made me focus on as well. So begin our study ( if anybody willing to read) with these verses but do not forget to read the entire chapter or even before and after the chapter for any connecting relevance:
The Lord's vengeance and the year of recompenses for the controversy of the Zion.
Isaiah 2:12; 13:6; 13:9; 34:8
Jeremiah 46:10
Lamentations 2:22
Ezekiel 13:5; 30:3
Joel has spoken about the sun darkened and the moon into blood as reiterates in Acts 2:20
Joel 1:15; 2:1; 2:11; 2:31; 3:14
We pause and pray. It seems the day of the Lord is a great and very terrible day. I pray that ALL will be saved today's Bible study.
Amos 5:18; 5:20
Obadiah 1:15
Zephaniah has spoken that there are people may be saved who seek the righteousness of God
Zephaniah 1:7-8; 1:14; 1:18;2:2-3
Zechariah 14:1
1 Corinthians 5:5
2 Corinthians 1:14
I thank God for Paul that we who are saved will know perfectly when this day would be even if it comes as a thief in the night as mentioned in ( 2 Peter 3:10)
1 Thessalonians 5:2
That is why I think we who truly believes God and have done God's will more likely not experience this day. So we pray earnestly that ALL may be saved. Happy reading.
It's more than a book. From Genesis to Revelation, it is all about the Life of Jesus Christ, the Messiah of Israel and the whole world.
Romans 1, speaks of the Godhead: Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Other places through the Bible we see the phrase:
LET US, or like, WHO WILL GO FOR US. Finding those places in scripture is like finding big nuggets of pure Gold. Every time I go through the Bible I find more!
I think it pleases God for us to search and dig for more Truth. It grows our Faith.
You will not be disappointed.
Jesus is returning soon. John 3, Jesus tells a Pharisee, he must be born again to even see the Kingdom of God. Nicodemas followed Jesus. He was at the Crucifixion and saw Jesus die for our sins. He saw the Temple in ruins. All recorded in Scripture. He knew Jesus was the Messiah.
If you know any military friends, read Gideon's story. He wasn't keen on leading an army. God whittled his army down to soldiers who lapped water like dogs. Head down but eyes up, searching for ambushers. They went to battle and did great exploits.
We can learn a lot of practical knowledge in the Bible. It's an amazing book; testimonies.
In your study maybe include: Daniel 12, continuing from Daniel 11.
Also : Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17:20-37, Luke 18:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, John 16:33, 1Thessalonians, 2Thessalonians, Zephaniah 1:14,15, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18-20, 2Timothy 3,
Isaiah 24,
Daniel 7, encouraging= Daniel 7:25-26,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study & discussion
We are to be looking for that blessing hope. Not wrath.
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 2:12-13.
We are not looking for wrath.
Zephaniah 1:14-15. The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
1 Thessalonians 5:9. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Some argue that Christ comes after the tribulation but before Christ pours out his wrath but
2 Thessalonians 2:7-8. seems to suggest not.
"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, UNTIL HE BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY.
( And then shall that Wicked be revealed,) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"
The Holyspirit would never be removed and leave the Church behind. John 14:17-18. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS: I will come to you.
Revelation 8, - Revelation 9, - Revelation 10, note there are 7 angels with seven trumpets Revelation 8:2-6, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th angels "sounded" their trumpets in Rev. 8, Revelation 8:7,8,10,12, & warns of the final 3. Revelation 8:13, "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabitants of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound"
The 5th & 6th angels sound in Rev. 9, Revelation 9:1,13, It's not until Revelation 10, the 7th will sound Revelation 10:7,
1Corinthians 15:52, Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Zephaniah 1, Zephaniah 1:15,16, Amos 5:18-20, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37, Revelation 1:7, Mark 14:60-62, Matthew 26:62-64, Revelation 10:1-7, Revelation 14,
Joel 2:1-11 Imagine a 2,700 year old prophet writing something so accurate, like he was transported there, it's uncanny. Joel's account is so accurate, describing smart missiles (Sarmat) coming in through the windows like a thief (Jesus), shaking the ground. Powerful enough to knock the earth off its axis, Isaiah 24:20. The inhabitants of Babylon have no idea the cost it will take to bring down all their earthly principles.
14 The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.
There is trouble coming and it will not go well for those who have not lived their lives in faith and obedience to God. America the Great will be destroyed and all the wealth it currently has, along with all nations on earth.
Please read: Daniel 7, Zephaniah 1:15, Zephaniah 1,
* Matthew 24:29-30, "After the tribulation" Matthew 24:3-51, Matthew 24:21,22, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:5-37, * note Mark 13:23-27, Mark 13:19 first, Mark 14:62, Revelation 1:5-8, these all seem to be the same event; 1Corinthians 15:52, context: 1Corinthians 15:20-58, Revelation 9, has the six prior trumpet blasts then Revelation 10, also lining up with prior noted scripture of the last trumpet: Revelation 10:7, & Revelation 10:6, Revelation 10:1, Matthew 25:31-46, seems to be the end, beginning of judgement. Psalms 9:7,
Precious friends, 'Which' Day are we, The Body Of CHRIST 'To look, watch, and wait for'?
Please prayerfully/Carefully Consider, for Encouragement and Comfort ( 1 Thessalonians 4:18)
The Day Of CHRIST:
"Mystery" CHURCH: Designated as the "Heavenly" Day of CHRIST, Which Will Be The Day Of the consummation of our salvation (into glorification!), And, Presenting of our "rewards!" (Phi 1:6; Phi 1:10; Philippians 1:6,10, Phi 2:16; 1 Corinthians 1:8, 1 Co 3:8-15; 2 Corinthians 1:14).
Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":
Day Of The LORD:
Israel's KINGDOM: Designated as the "Earthly" Day Of The LORD, which will be, first
of all, a day of Judgment to be followed by the establishment of the Kingdom!
( Isaiah 13:9-16, Isa 24:21-23, Isa 26:20-21, Isaiah 34:1-35:10; Isa 34; Isa 35:1-10; Ezekiel 30:3; Joel 1:15, Joe 2:1-11, Joel 2:1-11; Amos 5:16-20; Obadiah 1:15-21; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Zephaniah 14:1-21; Malachi 4:1-6; Matthew 25:31-46; Acts 2:19-21)
Manuel marques teixeira on Zephaniah 1 - 2 years ago
The expression:" God's wrath Day ", in Zephaniah, chapter 1 verse 18, raises a very important matter, about truth and God's character. Men tend to anthropomorphize God, despite bible's teaching, clearly establishing the primacy of God's nature, singularity and unique features. This is abundantly evident in the beauty and harmony of creation.
The bible simple forbidds men's jugment, reggarding one another, wich implies,also, not juging God!
God through Zephaniah, warn's human kind, about Life's seriousness, facing the fact that God has to be impartial towards all the inhabitants of the Universe, and determine one day, to put an end to evil, suffering and death, for ever.
Love implies mercy and justice, otherwise, woul be a blind love. God gives us life and a brain, to obtain not just knowledge, but also wisdom! If parents had just a blind love, wouldn't it be harmfull to their children?
Wouldn't it be,also, disastrous to all inteligent beings in the Universe, if GOD was just merciful and not fair, in perpetuating evil, with all his consequences, eternally.
That's why GOD is willing to sacrifice Himself, according to His mercy and justice!
It's written: God was at the cross, hiding His presence in dark clouds.The Bible establishes the unity of God, in three distinct entities! (see genesis 19:24)
Before the Creation of inteligent, thougtfull individuals, He had already decided to die as a man, for, not only men's sake, but also in behalf of all the intelligent Universe.
I would suffer for a while, than not being alive, at all.
The process of giving birth can be painful, but I'm thankful to my mother and GOD for seeing the light and being alive, than instead being an abortion. It's written that God, is God of the living, not of the dead! For God, those who died in christ, live, as if they had been already ressurected. The dead in Christ, will ressurect first, with a glorious body, like Him, and will live in a perfect, eternaly happy knew Earth and Universe.
Manuel marques teixeira on Zephaniah 1 - 2 years ago
Manuel marques teixeira on Zephaniah 1
THe expression Gods wrath Day, in Zephaniah, chapter 1 verse 18, raises a very important subject, about the truth and Gods character, because man tend to anthropomorfisize God, despite the bible, that clearly establishes the the primacy of Gods nature, singularity and unic features of Gods character.
The bible also simple forbidens mans jugment, reggarding other man, wich implies not juging God!
Personaly, I dont have questions about Gods wrath Day, because I also know that the essence of Gods character is love, and as parens should do, GOD is warning His sons about Lifes seriousness.
Love implies mercy and justice, otherwise, woul be a blind love. God gives us life and a brain, to obtain not just knowledge, but also wisdom! If parents had just a blind love, woudnt it be be armfull to children? no doubt about that! It would be disastrous to all inteligent beings in the entire Universe, if GOD wast JUST merciful and not Fair.
Thats why GOD is willing to sacrifice Himself, for His Principles, according to His loving imparcial, nature and charecter!
It's written: God was at the cross, hiding His presence in dark clouds.The Bible reveals that and establishis the unity of God in three distint persons! (see genesis 19:24)
Before the Creation of inteligent, thougtfull, and individual minds, He had previously decided to die as a man for, not only man's sake, but also in behalf of the entire Universe.
I rather want suffering a while, than not to come to life.
The process of giving birth can be painful, but I'm thankfull to my mother and GOD for seing the light being alive, than becoming an abortion. It's written tht God is God of the living, and not the dead, as for god those who died in christ, is as if are already alive. The dad in Christ willressurect, to be like the angels of God, living in a Perfect, eternaly Happy earth and Universe.
the "clouds" that is referred to in Rev.1:7, I am beginning to think it is an army/cavalry like I 1st suggested.
( Revelation 1:7) "Behold, he ((cometh WITH clouds)); and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."
( Zephaniah 1:14-15 KJV) "That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of ((clouds)) and thick darkness,"
( 2 Thessalonians 1:7) "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven ((WITH his mighty angels)),"
( Revelation 19:14 KJV) "And the ((armies)) which were in heaven followed him upon ((white horses)), clothed in fine linen, white and clean."
God bless.
That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness," Zephaniah 1:14-15 KJV
The words of the LORD are pure words. Every word of God is pure. EVERY WORD IS PURE!
You say the rapture or Resurrection event is at or near the first seal. Can you please provide the verses that prove that to be true?
It seems that pre-tribulation rapture believers are reading things into Scripture that are not clearly written in Scripture. God is not the author of confusion.
The final revival you mentioned as being ( Rev 7:9) comes during great tribulation, ( Rev 7:14) shows us that.
All who believe in Jesus Christ will have everlasting life, when will this everlasting life start? At the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds for His true Believers ( 1 Thess 4:16-17)
( Jn 3:36) Tells us believers in the Son hath everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.
God's wrath is poured out on ALL non-believers who will be left on the earth, they are also called the children of disobedience in ( Eph 5:6) and ( Col 3:6)
Seeing the great tribulation and the wrath of God as the same time period only causes confusion. They are not the same!
( Mt 24:29-31) Tells us the Son of man comes in the clouds to gather together His elect, this event is the rapture. And it clearly happens after the tribulation.
I do not mean to offend Richard but the Truth matters as we are living the time of the Lastdays now.
The belief that we will be taken out before the tribulation period will not allow us to be prepared for the tough times of deception and of testing that are sure to come in the near future. That belief will also cause many to be deceived by the antichrist when he comes disguised as Jesus Christ sitting in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God. ( 2 Thess 2:3-4) Many will fall away! There will be great deception during this time period ( 2 Cor 11:14)
The great day of the LORD is the return of Jesus Christ ( Zephaniah 1:14-18) That day is a day of wrath for non-believers.
Blessings to you.
The tribulation period and the wrath of God are different periods, to not get this right will throw off the timeline for the Lastdays prophecy in many ways.
In (Lu 17:27-30) v29 "But ((the same day)) that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all". Instead of focusing on them eating, and drinking and marrying, and giving in marriage, put your focus on THE SAME DAY. The same day Lot went out it rained fire and brimstone! The wrath of God starts the same day Jesus comes.
( 2 Thess 1:7-10) v7 "when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels".
v8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God" (In flaming fire taking vengeance on them is pouring out His wrath on them) The word (wrath) is #3709; it means violent passion, punishment, anger, indignation, ((vengeance)).
v9 "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power".
( John 3:36) In this verse He that believeth will be those who are taken in ( Mt. 24:40-42) the ones caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds in ( 1 Thess 4:16-17) which happens "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days" ( Mt 24:29-31)
Those who (believeth not) are the one's left in ( Mt. 24:40-42) the wrath of God abideth on them, the disobedient ones in ( Eph 5:6) and ( Col 3:6) and ( Rom 1:18)
Believers receive everlasting life!
non-believers receive the wrath of God!
( Zephaniah 1:14-18) v14 "The great day of the LORD is near" v15 "That day is a day of wrath".
These verses show us that God's wrath comes the same day Jesus comes.
( Rom 1:18) ( Eph 5:6) ( Col 3:6) ( Rev 6:16-17) God's wrath comes on bad, disobedient, non-believers in Jesus Christ.
( 1 Thess 5:9) Believers in Jesus are not appointed to wrath.
( 1Thess 1:10) The word (delivered) is 4506; it means to rush or draw (for oneself) to rescue.
( Rom 5:9) "being now justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him"
God Bless you.
The line of demarcation exists when we consider 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. For now; the gates of hell do not prevail against the church ( Matt. 16:18); but in the Tribulation or time of Jacob's trouble they will be overcome ( Rev. 13:7; Daniel 7:25). While we remain as salt and light the putrification is held back along with the final fulfillments of prophecies.
Ezekiel 38 is something geopolitically that seems to have aligned uniquely with Iran; Turkey and Russian agreements. As with anything else; those who look to the current war in Ukraine or any other conflicts basically are repeating centuries old patterns.
The downfall of currencies also seems to have been thwarted temporarily as of the last few days; apparently some small countries are utilizing the dollar more; and there seems to be both a new gold standard backed currency with the BRICS nations; and the concept of electronic currency concurrently happening; for now. Certainly there are harbingers of things to come. The recent lowering in prices of gold and silver (See Zephaniah 1:18; Ezekiel 7:19; and James 5:3) could indicate a collapse either just before the Tribulation and or during it (perhaps further enforced by Antichrist). To have the Mark of the Beast all other trade methodologies must be cancelled; I don't believe that can happen prior to the Rapture of the church in entirety.
Isaiah 8:12 reminds us not to call everything "conspiracy" that everyone else says is. The two dangers we have are thinking everything is an indication that the end has come; OR belittling the literal final fulfillment after all the predictions of the past proved false. Such could of course be argued with verses such as 1 Cor. 15:52 on the Rapture (Rapturo in Latin). Full Preterists think everything happened by 70 AD. Most think it was partially fulfilled; which again makes the most sense with a literal interpretation of the texts.
More to come...
part 1
That's a good point you make,
However, Here's a few issues with that view,
1) The day of the Lord is mentioned 31 times in the bible, 26 times in the Old Testament and 5 in the New Testament.
To my knowledge nowhere in scripture it mentions any removal of the saints.
Here's a few.
Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5) and several times in the New Testament ( Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10). It is also alluded to in other passages ( Revelation 6:15-17; 16:14).
In 2 Peter 3:3-18 we are told the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, and holding back his wrath not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Notice something in verses 11 and 12.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? ITS A QUESTION!!
The answer is NO!
Here's what were looking for;
Verses 13-16.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
See part 2 and the second issue I have with that view.
Part 2.
Continuing with just a few of the Day of the Lord verses.
Zephaniah 1:15
Isaiah 13:9
Lamentations 2:1
Isaiah 13:13
Isaiah 51:22
Jeremiah 25:15
Revelation 16:19
Revelation 14:10
Revelation 16:1
Isaiah 63:1-6.
This is what Paul is telling them is not at hand. This is what we all agree on besides a few that the Church will not see.
However some see the Rapture in Revelation 20:4-6 sadly mistaking it for the Resurrection.
That would place the Church on the Earth during the wrath of the Lord that comes upon all the Earth.
When we take 2 Thessalonians 2:3
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition;
Paul gives them the sequence of events in chronological order of what happens "AFTER" that what he reminded them of previously in
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
That's why he opens up saying "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by "OUR" gathering together unto him," 2 Thessalonians 2:1.
Paul included them and himself in this gathering! So did they see the son of perdition? No.
We take 2 Thessalonians 2:3 with the following scriptures to pitch our viewpoint. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-15.
The son of perdition can't come while the light bearers is in the world. The Church! Who sits in the midst of the Church? Christ/His Holyspirit.
2 Thessalonians 2:6-8.
God bless.
Part 1.
In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 one must 1sr understand that the day of the Lord is not the tribulation. Here in verses 2 and 3 Paul is assuring the Thessalonians that day hasn't come yet. In verse 3 He's assuring them that there was no msg sent by him that the day of the Lord was at hand and that the great tribulation will come 1st and also that day hasn't come yet. That's why he mentions the son of perdition.
vs 2)"That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter AS FROM US, as THAT THE DAY OF CHRIST IS (AT HAND.)
vs 3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
VERSE 1 IS THE SCOPE OF THE LETTER.
vs 1) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, AND BY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM,
By letter by "SUPPOSEDLY" from Paul they thought the day of the Lord has begun.
In vs 5 he reminds them of what he told them before.
vs 5) "Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"
Here's what he reminded them of.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
Most of what we know about the day of the Lord is in the OT.
Here's verses from the OT describing what the day of the Lord will be like.
Zephaniah 2:2-3.
Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
"Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: IT MAY BE YE SHALL BE HID IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER."
Zephaniah 1:18.
Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of (ALL) them that dwell in the land.
see part 2.
1 John 2:17 makes it clear that the world is fading away and the lusts thereof. Zephaniah 1:18 also makes obvious that all attempts to save us in the day of wrath; i.e. Tribulation will not save a person; whether spiritually or physically. James 5:3 warns about hoarding such things in the last days.
In all of today's answers; Satan is more than content to distract us from the fact that our greatest enemy is ourselves. As a society there is always an accelerated need for a new "fix" whether it be the latest catchy tune; the next financial gain; the next big social gig; the next high or buzz etc. We have all sold out to the lowest common denominator to accomplish our goals. There are plenty of characteristics in 2 Timothy of the times we are living in; and other Bible verses on the bad fruit we see today.
Imagine how much worse things would be without modern medical breakthroughs for life expectancy today in this self destructive society. We seem to have numbed ourselves to the hopeless state of the unregenerate souls today and are caught up in endless ways to make this life more comfortable. As believers discernment is sorely deficient to the messages either conscious or unconscious that are being pushed into our brains each day. Somehow we feel that everyone just needs to hear how much God loves them and that God is not "angry" with us or going to judge us when scriptures tell the opposite. He is angry with the wicked every day. Psalm 7:11 makes it clear that God judges the righteous; and is angry with the wicked EVERY DAY. God may chastise the believer and judge at the Bema seat rather than the Great White Throne Judgment but there are rewards to lose as Christians if we are not careful ( Rev. 3:11). This inoffensive Gospel of cheap grace rather than a pearl of great cost ( Matt. 13:45-46) is in reality more dangerous than no Gospel at all if we try to dumb down His righteousness and Word to create a more "acceptable" view.
Sorry but I made a mistake in answering your question.
I gave you the rapture when your question was "How will our LORD God remove the evil this time which has more than likely repented(grieved) Him?"
The rapture is when Christ comes for his Church. as mentioned here in
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
We will be removed from the wrath.
The wrath of God comes upon all the Inhabitants of the Earth.
Isaiah 24:1-23.
Isaiah 34:1-17.
Zephaniah 1:14-18
Many other references.
NOTE: God's children is never called Inhabitants of the earth.
But we are not appointed to wrath.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-9.
Now as far as removal of evil, this will happen following the rapture and the 70th week of Daniel. "7 years tribulation period" with the last 3 and a half being the great tribulation.
Note: "There will be people getting saved during this period "
Satan will be chained a thousand years and Christ will rule here on earth with a rod of Iron sitting on David's Throne. This is the Millennium kingdom.
Then the devil will be loosed and deceive the Nations again.
Then comes the wrath of God and the removal of Evil as you asked.
This is what's mentioned in Matthew 13:36-43.
In Matthew 13:41 notice that the unrighteous is gathered. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
This Parallels with
Matthew 24:36-51.
These are taking away for judgment.
No removal of saints/Rapture here in these verses! It's the removal of the unrighteous.
The rapture It has already happened.
Sorry for all the confusion.
God bless.
I hold the historical/prophetic view of the book of Revelation. I see the book of Revelation as being both historical and futuristic. I understand the seven churches in Chapters 2 and 3 were literal churches in John's day, and that the events in Chapters 4 through 22 are yet future.
Whatever view a person takes, it must fit in with what John saw in the past. He just saw the vision of Christ, the things that are, that is, the condition of the churches in John's day, and the things that will be after the church (Chapters 4 through 22).
It must fit into that past, present, and future scheme that the book of Revelation divides up for us.
In Revelation 1:10, John says, " I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day."
The phrase "I was in the Spirit," in the King James translation, Spirit is capitalized to indicate the Holy Spirit. But in the Greek text, there is no word "the." There's no definite article. And the spirit is understood to be not the Holy Spirit, but the spirit realm. And we see that throughout the book, he was caught up in spirit.
And then he says on the Lord's day. And in the bible, Sunday is never called the Lord's day, which you also alluded to.
The scriptures tell us that this is an OT term for the day of the Lord, or Lord's day, and it is a reference to the day of judgment.
It is called the Lord's day in Isaiah 2:12, and Zephaniah 1:14-16. Even Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:2, he used that Jewish phrase from the Old Testament, and says that the day of the Lord is going to come as a thief in the night. But you don't have to worry because you're children of light.
Peter also, in 2 Peter 3:10 used the same phrase as the day of judgment of God.
When John was caught up to see the Lord's day, this period of judgment, he got to see the future happen before it happens, while it's happening. He saw everything from where he's at, all the way to the end, and what's going to happen at the end. It just hasn't happened yet for us
Here's what I found to back up Malachi message about the "day of the Lord" (29X) from OT to NT. After these verses there's more interesting words God made me focus on as well. So begin our study ( if anybody willing to read) with these verses but do not forget to read the entire chapter or even before and after the chapter for any connecting relevance:
The Lord's vengeance and the year of recompenses for the controversy of the Zion.
Isaiah 2:12; 13:6; 13:9; 34:8
Jeremiah 46:10
Lamentations 2:22
Ezekiel 13:5; 30:3
Joel has spoken about the sun darkened and the moon into blood as reiterates in Acts 2:20
Joel 1:15; 2:1; 2:11; 2:31; 3:14
We pause and pray. It seems the day of the Lord is a great and very terrible day. I pray that ALL will be saved today's Bible study.
Amos 5:18; 5:20
Obadiah 1:15
Zephaniah has spoken that there are people may be saved who seek the righteousness of God
Zephaniah 1:7-8; 1:14; 1:18;2:2-3
Zechariah 14:1
1 Corinthians 5:5
2 Corinthians 1:14
I thank God for Paul that we who are saved will know perfectly when this day would be even if it comes as a thief in the night as mentioned in ( 2 Peter 3:10)
1 Thessalonians 5:2
That is why I think we who truly believes God and have done God's will more likely not experience this day. So we pray earnestly that ALL may be saved. Happy reading.
Zephaniah 1:15, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18-20,
Matthew 24, Mark 13,
Isaiah 11:3-4,
Hopefully these are helpful
Romans 1, speaks of the Godhead: Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Other places through the Bible we see the phrase:
LET US, or like, WHO WILL GO FOR US. Finding those places in scripture is like finding big nuggets of pure Gold. Every time I go through the Bible I find more!
I think it pleases God for us to search and dig for more Truth. It grows our Faith.
You will not be disappointed.
Jesus is returning soon. John 3, Jesus tells a Pharisee, he must be born again to even see the Kingdom of God. Nicodemas followed Jesus. He was at the Crucifixion and saw Jesus die for our sins. He saw the Temple in ruins. All recorded in Scripture. He knew Jesus was the Messiah.
If you know any military friends, read Gideon's story. He wasn't keen on leading an army. God whittled his army down to soldiers who lapped water like dogs. Head down but eyes up, searching for ambushers. They went to battle and did great exploits.
We can learn a lot of practical knowledge in the Bible. It's an amazing book; testimonies.
Streetpreacher
In your study maybe include: Daniel 12, continuing from Daniel 11.
Also : Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17:20-37, Luke 18:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, John 16:33, 1Thessalonians, 2Thessalonians, Zephaniah 1:14,15, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18-20, 2Timothy 3,
Isaiah 24,
Daniel 7, encouraging= Daniel 7:25-26,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study & discussion
We are to be looking for that blessing hope. Not wrath.
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 2:12-13.
We are not looking for wrath.
Zephaniah 1:14-15. The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
1 Thessalonians 5:9. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Some argue that Christ comes after the tribulation but before Christ pours out his wrath but
2 Thessalonians 2:7-8. seems to suggest not.
"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, UNTIL HE BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY.
( And then shall that Wicked be revealed,) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"
The Holyspirit would never be removed and leave the Church behind. John 14:17-18. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS: I will come to you.
The Holyspirit is the Comforter.
John 14:26.
God bless.
I believe you may be correct, just like the Day of The LORD, days = are also a moment of time,
Zephaniah 1:15, Ezekiel 30:3, Revelations 6:17,
Hopefully these are helpful
Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,
Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &
Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,
Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31
Hope these are helpful
The 5th & 6th angels sound in Rev. 9, Revelation 9:1,13, It's not until Revelation 10, the 7th will sound Revelation 10:7,
1Corinthians 15:52, Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Zephaniah 1, Zephaniah 1:15,16, Amos 5:18-20, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37, Revelation 1:7, Mark 14:60-62, Matthew 26:62-64, Revelation 10:1-7, Revelation 14,
1Thessalonians 1:9,10, 1Thessalonians 2:19, John 17, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1Thessalonians 5, 2Thessalonians 1, 2Thessalonians 2, 2Timothy 2, 2Timothy 3, 2Timothy 3:12, 2Timothy 4:1-8, Titus 2:13-15, 2Peter 2:4-9, 2Peter 3:9-18,
Hopefully these are helpful to this discussion
Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Joel 2, Zephaniah 1, note: Zephaniah 1:14-17, Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 1:7, Amos 5:18-20
Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37,
14 The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.
There is trouble coming and it will not go well for those who have not lived their lives in faith and obedience to God. America the Great will be destroyed and all the wealth it currently has, along with all nations on earth.
Please read: Daniel 7, Zephaniah 1:15, Zephaniah 1,
* Matthew 24:29-30, "After the tribulation" Matthew 24:3-51, Matthew 24:21,22, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:5-37, * note Mark 13:23-27, Mark 13:19 first, Mark 14:62, Revelation 1:5-8, these all seem to be the same event; 1Corinthians 15:52, context: 1Corinthians 15:20-58, Revelation 9, has the six prior trumpet blasts then Revelation 10, also lining up with prior noted scripture of the last trumpet: Revelation 10:7, & Revelation 10:6, Revelation 10:1, Matthew 25:31-46, seems to be the end, beginning of judgement. Psalms 9:7,
2Timothy 4:3,
2Timothy 2:3, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13,
Hope this is helpful
Jeremiah 9:23-25, Zephaniah 1:9,
Promise of punishment to Hebrews if they did not reform; Leviticus 26:23-25, Amos 3:2,
GOD's punishment; Jeremiah 44:13, Hosea 12:2,
Ezekiel 25:14,17, Jeremiah 51:11,36,37, Psalms 94:1, Jeremiah 50:15,18, Luke 21:22, Isaiah 63:4, Micah 5:15, Isaiah 61:2, Psalms 149:7, Jeremiah 11:20, Isaiah 47:3, Isaiah 34:6-9, Psalms 99:6-9, Ezekiel 25:12,
Isaiah 59:16-21, redemption & recompense, Jeremiah 51:6, Jeremiah 30:20, Zephaniah 1:8,
2 Thessalonians 6-9, Hope of GOD's recompense, it is "righteouss" Isaiah 35:4,
Romans 12:19, Hebrews 10:28-31, Deuteronomy 32:35,
Jude 1:5-7,
Nahum 1:2, ''GOD is furious"
Please prayerfully/Carefully Consider, for Encouragement and Comfort ( 1 Thessalonians 4:18)
The Day Of CHRIST:
"Mystery" CHURCH: Designated as the "Heavenly" Day of CHRIST, Which Will Be The Day Of the consummation of our salvation (into glorification!), And, Presenting of our "rewards!" (Phi 1:6; Phi 1:10; Philippians 1:6,10, Phi 2:16; 1 Corinthians 1:8, 1 Co 3:8-15; 2 Corinthians 1:14).
Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":
Day Of The LORD:
Israel's KINGDOM: Designated as the "Earthly" Day Of The LORD, which will be, first
of all, a day of Judgment to be followed by the establishment of the Kingdom!
( Isaiah 13:9-16, Isa 24:21-23, Isa 26:20-21, Isaiah 34:1-35:10; Isa 34; Isa 35:1-10; Ezekiel 30:3; Joel 1:15, Joe 2:1-11, Joel 2:1-11; Amos 5:16-20; Obadiah 1:15-21; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Zephaniah 14:1-21; Malachi 4:1-6; Matthew 25:31-46; Acts 2:19-21)
Portion of C.R. Stam Article: Link
or:
(Full Article: "The Day of the Lord -- What Is It?" - by Pastor Cornelius R. Stam)
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, today?)
The bible simple forbidds men's jugment, reggarding one another, wich implies,also, not juging God!
God through Zephaniah, warn's human kind, about Life's seriousness, facing the fact that God has to be impartial towards all the inhabitants of the Universe, and determine one day, to put an end to evil, suffering and death, for ever.
Love implies mercy and justice, otherwise, woul be a blind love. God gives us life and a brain, to obtain not just knowledge, but also wisdom! If parents had just a blind love, wouldn't it be harmfull to their children?
Wouldn't it be,also, disastrous to all inteligent beings in the Universe, if GOD was just merciful and not fair, in perpetuating evil, with all his consequences, eternally.
That's why GOD is willing to sacrifice Himself, according to His mercy and justice!
It's written: God was at the cross, hiding His presence in dark clouds.The Bible establishes the unity of God, in three distinct entities! (see genesis 19:24)
Before the Creation of inteligent, thougtfull individuals, He had already decided to die as a man, for, not only men's sake, but also in behalf of all the intelligent Universe.
I would suffer for a while, than not being alive, at all.
The process of giving birth can be painful, but I'm thankful to my mother and GOD for seeing the light and being alive, than instead being an abortion. It's written that God, is God of the living, not of the dead! For God, those who died in christ, live, as if they had been already ressurected. The dead in Christ, will ressurect first, with a glorious body, like Him, and will live in a perfect, eternaly happy knew Earth and Universe.
THe expression Gods wrath Day, in Zephaniah, chapter 1 verse 18, raises a very important subject, about the truth and Gods character, because man tend to anthropomorfisize God, despite the bible, that clearly establishes the the primacy of Gods nature, singularity and unic features of Gods character.
The bible also simple forbidens mans jugment, reggarding other man, wich implies not juging God!
Personaly, I dont have questions about Gods wrath Day, because I also know that the essence of Gods character is love, and as parens should do, GOD is warning His sons about Lifes seriousness.
Love implies mercy and justice, otherwise, woul be a blind love. God gives us life and a brain, to obtain not just knowledge, but also wisdom! If parents had just a blind love, woudnt it be be armfull to children? no doubt about that! It would be disastrous to all inteligent beings in the entire Universe, if GOD wast JUST merciful and not Fair.
Thats why GOD is willing to sacrifice Himself, for His Principles, according to His loving imparcial, nature and charecter!
It's written: God was at the cross, hiding His presence in dark clouds.The Bible reveals that and establishis the unity of God in three distint persons! (see genesis 19:24)
Before the Creation of inteligent, thougtfull, and individual minds, He had previously decided to die as a man for, not only man's sake, but also in behalf of the entire Universe.
I rather want suffering a while, than not to come to life.
The process of giving birth can be painful, but I'm thankfull to my mother and GOD for seing the light being alive, than becoming an abortion. It's written tht God is God of the living, and not the dead, as for god those who died in christ, is as if are already alive. The dad in Christ willressurect, to be like the angels of God, living in a Perfect, eternaly Happy earth and Universe.