Hebrews Chapter 1 Discussion



 
  • Tunney on Hebrews 1 - 3 months ago
    All there is to know about our LORD SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST is in scripture. Let us study to show ourselves approved, with the knowledge of being able to discern and apply HIS word daily as it glorifies HIM. 2 Timothy 2:15

    May we add daily unto our knowledge and wise application the attributes and character of our GOD the LORD JESUS. Colossians 3; 2 Peter 1

    (many more)

    Numbers 6

    24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

    25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

    26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

    27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

    Happy New Year everyone!

    December 30, 2023
  • GiGi - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    Yes, just think, as Jesus said to Thomas, blessed are they who have not seen,, but believe. That is us! We will see

    him in His resurrected, glorified body when we are bodily resurrected and glorified. His! And His scars from the wounds of His sacrificial and purposeful, voluntary death will be most beautiful to us.
  • AngelEverett - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    I remember Christ having Thomas touch His nail scared hands and see His side. Another reminder that He did retain His earthly body. Amazing!
  • Jesse - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    AngelEverette,

    If this helps any, I can share this on the last part of Hebrews 1:2. Where it says, "by whom also He made the worlds," the word worlds in the Greek text is the word ages, which denote epics of time, stages of time in history.

    Blessings!
  • GiGi - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    Angel,

    glad to have this conversation with you.
  • AngelEverett - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    Love the way you explained this. Someday, we will know more. Thank you so much!
  • Jordyn - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    Sister AngelEverett:

    God is Spirit:

    Christ is a man, the BODY of God.

    Christ has a GOD and a Father, but is is not THE GOD.

    God is the LIFE of Christ, God's BODY.

    Christ, the Body, only does what the SPIRIT, his God and Father, CAUSES him to say and do.

    All creation DIED on the cross of Christ, a NEW CREATION arose WITH CHRIST.

    Only ONE BODY AROSE from the grave, the BODY of CHRIST.

    IMMORTAL LIFE; Christ, never again to die, was resurrected, we were JOINT HEIRS with Christ at his resurrection.

    John 17:22 And the glory that thou has given me, I have given them, even as we are ONE, that they may also be ONE.

    Christ is a man with a glorified BODY, he can stand in the flesh, or be the spirit of truth, physically present or omnipresent.

    When you are harvested by the angels, in the twinkling of an eye, you will be the IMAGE of CHRIST.

    1 Corinthians 15:53 .....This mortal (you) shall PUT ON IMMORTALITY ...

    1 Timothy 6:16 ...... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY ......

    The gift of God is eternal LIFE, Christ is eternal life, your GIFT is being JOINT HEIR of GOD, by Christ

    Christ is IN HEAVEN, at the right hand of his Father, but that heaven is the NEW HEAVEN ....this mystery ..... CHRIST IN YOU ....

    Christ SECOND COMING .... like a thief, no one saw him save the one that RECEIVED HIM.

    God Bless YOU!
  • GiGi - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    Dear AngelEverett

    Many people go a long time before they realize that Jesus is in heaven with His glorified resurrected human body. I think that this is due partly to the common sayings we use of Him such as:

    "You can ask Jesus into your heart"

    "Jesus is always with you"

    "Jesus abides in us"

    "When two or more are gathered together Jesus is in their midst"

    These sayings, though true, give the impression that Jesus is in Spirit form only. However, Jesus said that both the Father and Himself live in us when the Spirit of God dwells in us. This speaks to the unity of the Godhead and that God is everywhere present in His essence. But Jesus, (also everywhere present in His divine nature) retains his full human nature in heaven. He is the first fruits of what humans will be in heaven, perfected with glorified resurrected bodies. He is our High Priest who is a human who serves God as a mediator. Perhaps this is one reason for Him retaining His human nature. Other reasons for this is that our glorified human bodies will be able to physically see God in Him. Whether or not we will be able to see spiritual beings is known at this point. Will we be able to see angels with our physical eyes? Or will we have spiritual "eyesight" added to us as part of our glorification that would allow us to see spiritual beings.

    Lots to think about, but we can take comfort and be at ease of mind and heart knowing that our Lord and Savior is like us in His human nature in every way but without sin. In His divine nature, He is like the Father and Spirit, which we are not. But these two natures are possessed by only one person, the divine Son of God. All of this was determined before creation int he Everlasting Covenant between the Persons of the Godhead for the redemption of mankind. Hallelujah! Now and always.
  • AngelEverett - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    While Jesus, the son, God the Father and the Holy Spirit are the God head, they are also unique and their own persons. If Jesus and the Holy Spirit were one and the same, then Jesus would not have said he would send the Holy Spirit to His disciples when He left.

    I guess very recently it just occurred to me that Jesus would retain His earthly body. Even though I have read the Holy Scriptures since I was a young child, it has taken me until I am in my 60's to realize this. My whole life I have always thought of only spirits existing in heaven.

    I praise God and I am so content that someday, I will know these mysteries of the gospel.

    God bless you all in our quests to understand.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    Angel Everett,

    God did this for us, before the world began, deciding that the Son of the Father would become human to redeem us and have this human nature within His divine person for all eternity. So wonderful that God condescend eternally for our sake, not His.

    As to your thoughts about Jesus appearing as human and spirit, I am not sure what you are referring to.

    let me take a stab at it:

    1) If you are saying that Jesus, being the eternally divine Son of the Father Who, before He took on a human nature, was eternally Spirit as the Father and Holy Spirit are always. Then that is true. A Spirit does not appear to humans, as we could not perceive a Spirit. The Holy Spirit manifests himself at times, as with the dove manifestation at Jesus' baptism and the tongues of fire at Pentecost. But manifestations are not the true essence of the Holy Spirit. There is a difference between manifestation of God and His true essence (Who He actually is). In the OT there were many theophanies and manifestations of God. The burning bush with the Angel of the Lord speaking out from it, one of the three that visited Abraham, the person wrestling with Jacob all night, the pillar of cloud/fire in the wilderness, the visions given to prophets of the Ancient of Days, the shekinah glory of God's Presence in the tabernacle. These were manifestations but not God showing Himself as His true self in His pure Essence.

    2) If you are saying that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same person, then I would direct you to the Last Supper Discourse in John chapters 14-17 to see how Jesus speaks of the Father as being truly another Person of the Godhead other than Himself and the Holy Spirit being another person of the Godhead other than Himself and the Father. There are three Persons in One Godhead (Divine Being). So, the Jesus asks the Father to send the Holy Spirit to the disciples (and subsequently to each believer).

    Maybe this will be helpful to you.
  • AngelEverett - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    I agree with your thoughts on Christ and His earthly body. I believe you are right but I still find it amazing that He will appear both as a spirit and with His earthly body. How perfect that He being so unique will have retained His fleshly body.
  • Jordyn - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    Oseas:

    The heaven of heavens has already been set up.

    They (the new heavens) had to be set up before Christ could reign on earth.

    They (the new heavens) had to be set up before the DAY of the LORD could come.

    They (the new heavens) had to be set up before the Kingdom of God could come.

    The were setup when creation was resurrected as the BODY of CHRIST.

    The fourth heaven is YOU, where GOD DWELLS, YOU the house of God, YOU the BODY of GOD.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • AngelEverett on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    Thank you all for giving me your thoughts on "the worlds" God created and on Christ's earthly body. I will ponder all your thoughts.
  • Oseas - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    GiGi

    Yes, GOD made the Universe. In fact, GOD created four heavens, but He sat upon the circle of the earth - Isaiah 40:22KJV also Nevi'im (Prophets) Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 40:22 - Hebrew Bible - : "It is He Who sits above the circle of the earth, and whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heaven like a CURTAIN, and He spread them out like a tent to dwell" Ephesians 1:3KJV, and so on: 3 Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord JESUS Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places(Old and New Testaments) in Christ.

    Now, in this current millennnium, two of the four heavens created by GOD through JESUS will be DISSOLVED(without JESUS was not any thing made that was made), in fact both heavens -the first and second - will be BURNED from now on- 2Peter 3:7 combined with Isaiah 33:14-15- , and the 3rd heaven will be established in this current millennium, that is the seventh and last millennium, and this 3rd heaven whose heavenly environment is described in Revelation 4 and 5 combined with Luke 20:35-36, among many other biblical references -comes up hither-, it will last 1000 years. After this, I mean ending the millennium, then will be established the heaven of the heavens for all Eternity.

    Get ready
  • Oseas - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    "AngelEverett"

    In the beginning, i.e. in JESUS - GOD created the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens- Genesis 1:1, and the earth(not the planet), but the CLAY, the dry land- Genesis 1:9. Great mystery. By the way, in what heaven you spiritually are acccording to the Ephesians 1:3? Our conversation is in heaven according to the Philippians 3:20, from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, understand? By the way, "By whom He made the worlds".

    The 1st world made by GOD through JESUS was/and is the 1st heavenly place established by GOD- The Old Testament.

    The 2nd world made by GOD through JESUS was/and is the 2nd heavenly place established by GOD- The New Testament.

    And the 3rd world? What does JESUS said of the 3rd world or 3rd heavenly place in Him to be established by Him? JESUS said: Luke 20:35-36KJV:

    35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that WORLD(the Kingdom of GOD- Revelation 11:15 to 18), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

    36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of GOD, being the children of the resurrection.

    And the heaven of the heavens? The heaven of the heavens will be established after the END of the millennial Kingdom of GOD- Revelation 11:15-18 combined with Revelation 20:7-15.Then the Eternity will begin.

    Don't forget:The heavens(The 1st and 2nd heavens) and the earth(Israel),which ARE NOW, by the same Word-the Word is GOD-are kept in store,reserved unto fire against this Day of Judgment(the Judgment Seat of Christ)and perdition of ungodly men -2Peter3:7 & 11-12:

    11Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED,what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of this Day of GOD(the Lord's Day),wherein the heavens(the 1st & 2nd heavens) being on fire shall be DISSOLVED,and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
  • Jordyn - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    AngelEverett:

    By whom (BY Christ) HE (God) made the worlds.

    Angel, Christ's BODY is YOU.

    Colossians 1:27 ..... this mystery ..... Christ in you ......

    Galatians 2:20 I am CRUCIFIED with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet, NOT I, but Christ lives IN ME ....

    Notice it's NO LONGER YOU that lives, you DIED on the cross, yoru NOW the BODY of Christ.

    You were married to Christ at his resurrection, YOU and CHRIST became ONE.

    John 17:22 And the glory that thou (God) gave me (Christ), I (Christ have given them (you Angel), that even as we (God and Christ) are ONE, that they (you Angel) are ONE in us.

    God Bless YOU!
  • AngelEverett on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    I find it so interesting that it says, "By whom He made the worlds." Would love to hear others thoughts on this. Also, we know through scriptures that the Lord's body did not see corruption but ascended while His disciples watched. It made me wonder if Jesus still is seen in heaven in His earthly body?
  • Shanon on Hebrews 1 - 6 months ago
    may God bless everyone
  • Joejoeflak on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    i speak from the spirit though only can be heard from the spirit. i wonder being that god is a jealous of other images...is that why men grow jealous wjen we see our women look upon other men with fresh eyes do we grow weary...
  • Chris - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    You're far too kind brother for that compliment. I think we all have some insight to give, as we have studied the Word with the help of the Holy Spirit, sharing some aspect of a verse or chapter that will help us to understand & appreciate what God is speaking to us through it. Each one of us have added something, even a little, that will ultimately help our growth in the Word & our faith. As for the Hebrew's writer, I believe that those who've done a textual examination of the letter, believe that its wording is inconsistent with that of Paul's other letters. But that would be far beyond my scope of study & judgement.

    Every blessing to you too Jesse & keep your much valued comments coming in please.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    Chris,

    Not a problem my brother. I'm glad I can share something of value here and there. This means a lot coming from you, and you have helped me more than you know with the vast wealth of knowledge you share with all of us here. I doubt it was Paul for the very reason I spoke of. But I also cannot stand against anyone who wants to say Paul wrote it because we just don't know! I really can't say yes or no. I do think that (if) it was Paul, he would have put his inscription at the beginning, as he did with the other 13 letters that he penned!

    Blessings to you and thank you so much for all you share here!!!
  • Chris - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    Thanks for that brother Jesse. I had missed Hebrews 2:3, as far as noting that the certainty of Paul being the writer was made weaker by this verse: "confirmed unto us by them that heard Him." Whoever the writer was, certainly was led of the Spirit to be able to pen such great Truths & give a clear defence of the faith, from all the Scripture given.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello Tessie,

    The author of Hebrews is unknown. There are several people who have been named as possible authors. Paul is the most common one but we have nothing to prove that it was Paul.

    It would seem odd that it would be Paul because we know for sure that Paul wrote 13 letters (Romans through Philemon), because Paul put his inscription at the beginning of every one of those letters. It would seem odd that he would not do the same if he wrote Hebrews.

    Here's something that causes me to think it was not Paul. Whoever wrote the letter to the Hebrews was a second generation Christian and did not hear from the Lord directly, which Paul did.

    It says in Hebrews 2:3, "how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him."



    So whoever wrote Hebrews did not hear the Lord directly, nor did he receive from the Lord directly (which Paul did), but received and was confirmed and established for us (the writer being one of them) by those that heard Him.



    Paul is a possibility but doubtful. Others who have been named as possible writers are Barnabas, Luke, or Apollos.

    So if someone wants to believe it was Paul, any of the other possibilities, we can neither confirm nor deny because we just don't know and we cannot prove one way or another.
  • EthanlovesJesus - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    The apostle Paul wrote the book of Hebrews. Hopefully this helps Tessie! God bless!
  • Tessie Santos on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    Who wrote Hebrew
  • Chris - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi Mark. My understanding of Matthew 1:18-23, is that the angel, in a dream, told Joseph that he should take Mary to be his wife and the child that will be born from her is to be named "Jesus". So, the angel didn't give the name 'Emmanuel' to Joseph.

    Then Matthew confirms that this would happen because of the prophecy that went before Jesus (i.e. in Isaiah 7:14), that His Name will be called, Immanuel. So, it seems that Matthew is giving further proof from prophecy that what the Holy Spirit was about to do was entirely from God and not man - i.e. Jesus would be Immanuel, God with us. So, Jesus is His Name, but Immanuel explains His Origin and Coming to the World.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    Hey Mark.

    Matthew 1:23 is a quote from Isaiah 7:14 a prophecy of the coming of the Messiah. In Matthew 1:25 we see Joseph named Him JESUS. The Hebrew name is Yehoshua the shorter Yeshua, a Greek form of Joshua a derivative of the word Hoshea meaning Yahweh saves.

    His name became Iesous in Greek because of the Greek alphabet and from there to Latin, so the modern name Jesus comes from the Latin word Iesus which does not mean hail Zeus. If we call and pray in the name of the English word Jesus, I think God understands what we are saying. I am sure in all the other languages in the world there are many names for our savior.

    Some things have entered into traditions and interpretations, but this is not one of them.

    Hope this helps.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Mark on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    Why was Emmanuel's' name changed to "Jesus"? When Joseph was told by an angel that his virgin wife would give birth to a child, and that child would be called "Emmanuel", meaning "God with us". It is my understanding that the name "Jesus" is just another form of the name 'Zeus' --a Greek pagan God. Thanks
  • Jesse - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 2 years ago
    George,

    I meant to place Hebrews 10:26 in the third category, not the second. Sorry about that!
  • Jesse - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 2 years ago
    George,

    The inscription added to this letter in the 2nd century was "The Letter to the Hebrews." This letter was written to Hebrew Christians. We know this because of the emphasis on the Levitical priesthood and sacrifices, and an absence of any reference to Gentiles.

    The purpose of the letter was to warn against apostasy during persecution. It's when believers suffer that believers consider stop following Christ, or consider compromising in their walk with the Lord when things get tough. The Hebrew people would suffer severe persecution for identifying with Christ as the Messiah. Instead of surrendering their lives to Christ, many of them were turning away and going back into Judaism because life was so much easier for them that way. Nothing in the book of Hebrews speaks about losing salvation.

    In order to understand the various passages and the various sections of Hebrews, we have to understand that there are three separate groups to whom it was written:

    1) To Hebrew believers.



    2) To Hebrews who have an intellectual understanding of Christ but have not been saved, and they are considering going back to the religious system of Judaism because of the persecution for identifying with Hebrew believers. ( Hebrews 6:4-6). So these are Hebrews who understand what's being taught, and they intellectually agree with it, but they have never received Christ. ( Hebrews 10:26).

    3) There were also Hebrew unbelievers. These were those who were at these meetings, those who were in the crowd that just did not believe.

    So by understanding these three groups, we can better understand some of the scriptures that are being presented, and why some of these Hebrew people were turning away and going back into Judaism. There are sections of scriptures to each one of these three groups in the book of Hebrews.


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